Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'

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Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'

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Re: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:32 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'

Postby zavk » Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:37 am

I see where you are coming from about the problems and limitations of dwelling on certain narratives of hurt/injustice, etc. My investigation of these issues have not personally led to self-crippling doubts or hurt. Rather, they have been quite liberating.

Whilst I can see the dangers of needlessly dwelling over such issues, in recognition of my own privilege - not to mention I have absolutely NO lived experienced of their plight - I wouldn't be so presumptuous as to suggest to marginalised groups like the Aborigines in Australia or African or Native Americans or whoever that they are dwelling needlessly on such issues or that they are drowning in needless abstraction, etc, when they seek apology, recompense, a rewriting of history, etc. This presumptuousness is precisely the problem to be addressed.
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Re: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'

Postby Ben » Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:39 am

Thanks Ed,
That looks really interesting.
kind regards,

Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:32 am

Greetings,

Speaking of Peter Garrett, the Midnight Oil documentary "Black-feller White-feller tour" is very good in the context of the topic (to the extent that it's now deviated from exclusively Buddhism and Buddhist lands)

It's about seeing from the inside through listening, rather than imposing from the outside.

One mob. 8-)

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'

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Re: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:05 am

Greetings,

I don't know what's wrong with just regarding people as people... maybe I'm over-simplifying things, but it works for me and those I engage with.

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'

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Re: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'

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Re: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'

Postby Doshin » Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:54 am

Knowing about dhamma, does not imply knowing dhamma

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Re: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'

Postby Ben » Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:00 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'

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Knowing about dhamma, does not imply knowing dhamma


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