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The truth about egg yolks?

Postby Sekha » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:36 pm

I come with a question, not really with answers. What do you think: are they dangerous if consumed more than once a day?
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Re: The truth about egg yolks?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:33 pm

As with most foods, excess can probably be harmful. One or two eggs a day is not excessive.

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Re: The truth about egg yolks?

Postby Virgo » Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:11 pm

The average adult, in decent health, without abnormal cholesterol levels, should have no more intake than 300 mg of cholesterol per day. The average egg has 188 mg. Are two eggs fine sometimes? Yes, but it should not be done too often. It all depends on your current blood-cholesterol levels, the rest of your diet, amount of exercise etc. So having two, or even more, may not be so bad, depending on the rest of your diet, etc. All of the cholesterol is in the yoke, so egg-whites are no problem. Scrambled generally have all the yoke mixed in. If you have them over-easy, or sunny-side up you can pretty much choose how much yoke you eat. If you only eat some of the yolk, you are only consuming some of the 188 mg average of cholesterol per egg. Sometimes I have a couple of eggs, bacon, etc, and I have the eggs sunny-side up, and did my bread in the runny yolk... but I don't eat all of the yolk. :)


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Re: The truth about egg yolks?

Postby cooran » Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:06 pm

Hello all,

This may be of interest:

Unscrambling the evidence
http://www.abc.net.au/health/thepulse/s ... 266764.htm

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Re: The truth about egg yolks?

Postby Sekha » Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:25 pm

Actually, I am quite active physically and I practice bodybuilding, but I am also vegetarian, for the most part. So I have high needs in terms of proteins, and the question was raised as to which food I should have to get the necessary amount of proteins, given the fact that I am probably going to live in a remote place where I will not have a lot of choice beyond common food items you can find at your local mini-mart.

So I found out that eating eggs should be a good solution, because no living being has necessarily to suffer in order to get eggs produced for human consumption. The problem is that if I base my protein intake on eggs consumption, I have to deal with the yolk issue. Most nutritionists say no more than 4 or 6 eggs a week. Some others say there is no problem at all, we can eat as much as we like. The former say the latter play the game of farm industry, the latter say the former are misinformed. I think the former don't want to take risks, but the motivation of the latter are not necessarily clear either.

This is an important question because if I remove the yolks, I will have to eat about 15 eggs per day, while it would be twice as less if I kept the yolks, and I don't like to throw anything edible away, let alone the question of money. But if I ate those yolks, I would be eating about 9 times more than the recommended upper limit according to many nutritionists... So it's a toss up between wasting food/money and potentially taking health risks.
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Re: The truth about egg yolks?

Postby Sekha » Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:35 pm

This article suggests according to Chinese medicine, egg yolks have no impact on health:

Chicken egg yolks are considered “neutral” in terms of qi energy. In traditional Chinese medicine, the body’s energy or qi, needs to be balanced to ensure good health. Foods are usually qualified as hot or cold, and overindulgence in either hot or cold foods can unbalance the body’s energy. As a result, neutral dietary foods like chicken egg yolk are useful for their lesser impact on qi.
http://www.happyacupuncture.com/chinese ... -egg-yolk/


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Re: The truth about egg yolks?

Postby Virgo » Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:48 pm

Sekha wrote:I couldn't find anything really precise about what Ayurveda has to say on the matter


I believe they are considered sweet in flavor so they reduce vatta. The yolks are warming, the whites are more cooling, and they build ojas, making them very nourishing and good after a work out. Since most body building is heating and pitta producing, the cooling quality of the egg-whites should be favorable (although if oily they will also have a heating quality). But everything must be taken in moderation. Eating too many will definitely not be good for you, and will likely be too fatty.

What about protein shakes?

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Re: The truth about egg yolks?

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Re: The truth about egg yolks?

Postby Sekha » Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:01 pm

I am not so sure it's good to rely on them too much. I take them only after the workout. Perhaps I should think of using them a bit more.
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Re: The truth about egg yolks?

Postby Virgo » Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:09 pm

Sekha wrote:I am not so sure it's good to rely on them too much. I take them only after the workout. Perhaps I should think of using them a bit more.


Hi Sekha, that is the most important time. You should have a look around veganbodybuilding.com and the article I linked: http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/?page=article_workout_eating. : )


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Re: The truth about egg yolks?

Postby Ben » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:02 am

Hi Sekha,
Sekha wrote:I come with a question, not really with answers. What do you think: are they dangerous if consumed more than once a day?


I won't touch them anymore. For some foods, there is no safe level of consumption.

http://nutritionfacts.org/topics/eggs/

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Re: The truth about egg yolks?

Postby Ben » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:10 am

Virgo wrote:What about protein shakes?

Personally, I think one should get one's nutrients from wholefood plant-based meals.
Over the last ten years the trend within the health&fitness sector has been an absolute obsession with protein.
The fact of the matter is, in the West, one gets more than enough protein whether one is on a standard american/western diet or vegetarian or vegan. There is also some concerns with regard to protein formulas. Whey-based protein formulas in the US have been found to contain heavy metal contamination. I've also heard anecdotal reports of young people who have relied on protein formula for weight loss and 'bulking' suffering acute kidney disorders.

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Re: The truth about egg yolks?

Postby Virgo » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:37 pm

Ben wrote:Whey-based protein formulas in the US have been found to contain heavy metal contamination.


Interesting. It would be wise to do research into the brand before purchasing any products.

I've also heard anecdotal reports of young people who have relied on protein formula for weight loss and 'bulking' suffering acute kidney disorders.


Interesting. Yes, it is important not to overdo the protein, that is why I am not a fan of 'extreme' buildling.

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Re: The truth about egg yolks?

Postby Sekha » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:09 pm

Ben wrote:Personally, I think one should get one's nutrients from wholefood plant-based meals.

I also think this sounds like good way forward. But I have difficulties when it comes to match this with my lifestyle (physical activity + remote location). I think eating egg whites should be a proper solution, dietetically as well as ethically speaking.


Ben wrote:The fact of the matter is, in the West, one gets more than enough protein whether one is on a standard american/western diet or vegetarian or vegan.

That is certainly the case for people who eat more than they exercise (perhaps even a majority?), but I do need a lot of proteins, and if I don't eat them, my body makes me feel the need quite vividly. Sometimes it wakes me up at night and I have to get up to take proteins if I have not ingested enough before going to bed.
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Re: The truth about egg yolks?

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Re: The truth about egg yolks?

Postby Sekha » Fri Sep 13, 2013 6:45 pm

I don't think this is a very dietetic way to prepare eggs.. It's very oily, and it doesn't leave the yolk liquid, as it should be.
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Re: The truth about egg yolks?

Postby Virgo » Fri Sep 13, 2013 6:51 pm

Sekha wrote:I don't think this is a very dietetic way to prepare eggs.. It's very oily, and it doesn't leave the yolk liquid, as it should be.


Your right. It is not. But stress isn't healthy either, so we have to have a fried egg if we want one every once in a while to stay stress-free about our food choices. :tongue: :

But honestly, yeah, definitely not the healthiest.

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Re: The truth about egg yolks?

Postby danieLion » Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:47 pm

Hi Kevin,
Virgo wrote:The average adult, in decent health, without abnormal cholesterol levels, should have no more intake than 300 mg of cholesterol per day.

Consuming cholesterol is for the most part irrelevant as shown in the topic here called The cholesterol myth. What's relevant to cholesterol levels is fat and protein consumption (aside from the social engineering issues--see, for instance, The Rise and Fall of Modern Medicine by the British physician and researcher James Le Fanu--and the contoversy of recent blood serum cholesterol measures as largely just medical-industrial-complex hype--see, for instance, Overdosed America: The Broken Promise of American Medicine by the American phyisican and researcher John Abramson). Our bodies use the fats and proteins we eat to make virtually all of the cholesterol our body uses to support vital functions (like building and maintaining membranes; modulating membrane fluidity over the range of physiological temperatures; intracellular transport, cell signaling and nerve conduction; myelin sheathing of neurons for insulation and more efficient conduction of nerve impulses--low cholesterol is implicated in Alzheimer's--; aiding in the intestinal absorption of essential fat molecules as well as the fat-soluble vitamins, A, D, E, and K; and serving as an important precursor molecule for the synthesis of vitamin D and the steroid hormones, including the adrenal gland hormones cortisol and aldosterone, as well as the sex hormones progesterone, estrogens, and testosterone, and their derivatives. Some research even indicates it may act as an antioxidant.)

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Adding the above content to the idea of buying organic eggs, I don't think this information is very accurate.
Virgo wrote:But stress isn't healthy either, so we have to have a fried egg if we want one every once in a while to stay stress-free about our food choices.

Researchers like Richard Lazarus, Hans Selye (e.g., in his book, Stress Without Distress) and Robert Robert Sapolsky (e.g., in his books Stress, the Aging Brain, and the Mechanisms of Neuron Death, Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers and his course "Stress and Your Body") would disagree and argue that there are two types of stress: distress ("bad" stress) and eustress ("good" stress).
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Re: The truth about egg yolks?

Postby Virgo » Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:54 pm

danieLion wrote:Hi Kevin,
Virgo wrote:The average adult, in decent health, without abnormal cholesterol levels, should have no more intake than 300 mg of cholesterol per day.

Consuming cholesterol is for the most part irrelevant as shown in the topic here called The cholesterol myth. What's relevant to cholesterol levels is fat and protein consumption (aside from the social engineering issues--see, for instance, The Rise and Fall of Modern Medicine by the British physician and researcher James Le Fanu--and the contoversy of recent blood serum cholesterol measures as largely just medical-industrial-complex hype--see, for instance, Overdosed America: The Broken Promise of American Medicine by the American phyisican and researcher John Abramson). Our bodies use the fats and proteins we eat to make virtually all of the cholesterol our body uses to support vital functions (like building and maintaining membranes; modulating membrane fluidity over the range of physiological temperatures; intracellular transport, cell signaling and nerve conduction; myelin sheathing of neurons for insulation and more efficient conduction of nerve impulses--low cholesterol is implicated in Alzheimer's--; aiding in the intestinal absorption of essential fat molecules as well as the fat-soluble vitamins, A, D, E, and K; and serving as an important precursor molecule for the synthesis of vitamin D and the steroid hormones, including the adrenal gland hormones cortisol and aldosterone, as well as the sex hormones progesterone, estrogens, and testosterone, and their derivatives. Some research even indicates it may act as an antioxidant.)

Thanks for the information. I'll take a look at it.

Researchers like Richard Lazarus, Hans Selye (e.g., in his book, Stress Without Distress) and Robert Robert Sapolsky (e.g., in his books Stress, the Aging Brain, and the Mechanisms of Neuron Death, Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers and his course "Stress and Your Body") would disagree and argue that there are two types of stress: distress ("bad" stress) and eustress ("good" stress).
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Well I don't want either. :tongue:

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Re: The truth about egg yolks?

Postby Virgo » Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:14 pm

I think what we can say for sure DL is that it is best not to be overly attached. Scientists and doctors seem to be constantly changing their minds about cholesterol.

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