The suffering of terminal illness can be ended in both animals and humans by killing the victim . Instant nirvana .
Metta,
Retro.
Well Nirvana traditional definition is the destruction of defilements to attain the unconditioned state beyond the round of rebirths . Of course this term is meaningless in the context of annihilation. The Buddha never use the concept of nirvana in this way . My point was that both animals and humans will attain liberation of suffering at death if there is only one life . Don't take me too literally maybe I used that word wrongly .
Hi Retro
Ok. Just forget about the Kamma and the Buddhism.
Just use your common sense.
I will give you two examples:
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One of my friends sister went to a coma. Doctors said that she will die soon. But the family never gave up.
They fed the patient and clean her for four months while she was in a coma.
She woke up after four months and now enjoying a very happy life.
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Mr friend’s wife also went in to a coma. Doctors said that she was dead.
But he never gave up.
He kept her alive for two weeks and she gained consciousness.
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What I am trying to say is we should help but not interfere with others life.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
They administer morphine to wounded soldiers on the battle field to relieve severe pain. There's gotta be some kind of similar drug at the veterinary office for animals. So always bring it to the vet office first, if they can cure the poor bird, that's great; else they can inject morphine or something to at least numb the pain and let it fade away peacefully and naturally. No bad kamma, one did his best and everyone's happy. Problem solved..
SarathW wrote:Hi Retro
Ok. Just forget about the Kamma and the Buddhism.
Just use your common sense.
I will give you two examples:
==============
One of my friends sister went to a coma. Doctors said that she will die soon. But the family never gave up.
They fed the patient and clean her for four months while she was in a coma.
She woke up after four months and now enjoying a very happy life.
==============
Mr friend’s wife also went in to a coma. Doctors said that she was dead.
But he never gave up.
He kept her alive for two weeks and she gained consciousness.
====================
What I am trying to say is we should help but not interfere with others life.
End of life care is not this simple. The dying process is often excruciating, and what is truly merciful does not fit so tightly within some petty morality.
“I say, beware of all enterprises that require new clothes, and not rather a new wearer of clothes.” – Henry David Thoreau, Walden, 1854
Secure your own mask before assisting others. – NORTHWEST AIRLINES (Pre-Flight Instruction)
End of life care is not this simple. The dying process is often excruciating, and what is truly merciful does not fit so tightly within some petty morality.
Having seen two humans and an animal dying from cancer, I agree.
SarathW wrote:Hi Retro
Ok. Just forget about the Kamma and the Buddhism.
Just use your common sense.
I will give you two examples:
==============
One of my friends sister went to a coma. Doctors said that she will die soon. But the family never gave up.
They fed the patient and clean her for four months while she was in a coma.
She woke up after four months and now enjoying a very happy life.
==============
Mr friend’s wife also went in to a coma. Doctors said that she was dead.
But he never gave up.
He kept her alive for two weeks and she gained consciousness.
====================
What I am trying to say is we should help but not interfere with others life.
End of life care is not this simple. The dying process is often excruciating, and what is truly merciful does not fit so tightly within some petty morality.
Hi AB
We are dying every moment. I am dying while I am writing this.
Life is painful. I got a splitting headache write now.
Taking your life or someone else is not the answer.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
End of life care is not this simple. The dying process is often excruciating, and what is truly merciful does not fit so tightly within some petty morality.
Having seen two humans and an animal dying from cancer, I agree.
Are you suggesting that we should kill all sick people?
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
End of life care is not this simple. The dying process is often excruciating, and what is truly merciful does not fit so tightly within some petty morality.
Having seen two humans and an animal dying from cancer, I agree.
Are you suggesting that we should kill all sick people?
That's not what I said.
Additionally, terminally ill people in hospital in this country are heavily medicated with morphine and have access to a morphine pump, so its hardly a "natural" death.
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This might be of interest. I realise this article concerns beings who have had a human rebirth, and the OP concerns a being who was in a rebirth in the animal (bird) realm.
---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---
Feathers wrote:'Ask the pet' seems a good principle - trying to be sensitive to their needs, trying to make sure we're not doing it out of selfish reasons.
I like that ~ emphathy.
Metta,
Retro.
"Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things."
Regarding kamma, Ajahn Amaro gave a talk last year at Amaravai Monastery, called "Who is pulling the strings". (at the link, the audio after the Q & A session with the same title)
When I was confronted with the choice of rescuing a bird caught by a cat or just seeing nature as it is, I left the cat alone. By rescuing the bird to "save it" and then having to kill it, the kamma is yours.
Life eats life.
Be well
How do you practice taking care of each other? Here I am!
The general anatomy and physiology of all vertebrates is essentially the same with regards to how vertebrates feel pain. Nociceptors are sensory neurons that are found in any area of the body that can sense pain either externally or internally. Many chemicals are released both at the site of injury and in the nerves.
So rescue invertebrates instead, since they lack a’ backbone’ or dorsal nerve cord.
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