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Re: Ref. for "all 8 factors can be present simultaneously"?

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Re: Ref. for "all 8 factors can be present simultaneously"?

Postby SarathW » Tue Aug 06, 2013 4:21 am

Is this any help? :)
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Samādhi and these supernormal powers, it may be mentioned,
are not essential for the attainment of Arahantship,
though they would undoubtedly be an asset to the possessor.
There are, for instance, dry-visioned Arahants (sukkhavipassaka)
who, without the aid of the jhānas, attain Arahantship
straightway by merely cultivating Insight. Many men
and women attained Arahantship in the time of the Buddha
Himself without developing the jhānas.

http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/buddh ... gsurw6.pdf

http://what-buddha-said.net/library/Bud ... .htm#sukha
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Ref. for "all 8 factors can be present simultaneously"?

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Re: Ref. for "all 8 factors can be present simultaneously"?

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Re: Ref. for "all 8 factors can be present simultaneously"?

Postby fifthson » Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:25 pm

I am not capable of finding reference in Sutra for you guys. I can only reply from what I read and heard of. In general, jhana is difficult to attain but very easy to lose it. Jhana is difficult to have, then also difficult to maintain it. Before the Buddha, jhana had been practiced but those who attained the highest level of jhana had never attained enlightenment (as they didn't know the way) except paccekabuddha. In order to contemplate (vipassna) the facts of dhamma, khanika samadhi (momentary concentration) is sufficient. That is why there are much more sukkhavipassaka arahants than those with jhana and vipassana.

But this does not mean to discourage practice of concentration. It is in each own nature. If anyone feels like practicing concentration as the step for vipassana, it is his/her accumulation from previous life. It is what he/she used to do and willing to do it.

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Re: Ref. for "all 8 factors can be present simultaneously"?

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Re: Ref. for "all 8 factors can be present simultaneously"?

Postby Sylvester » Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:09 am

Bhante, you're probably right.

Perhaps the absence of abhisaṅkharoti in SN 12.51, AN 3.23 and AN 4.233 should very plainly and simply interpreted as per AN 4.33 - http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

This would mean, as Tilt has been arguing all this while, that the sankhāra in DO refers to those motivators tainted by greed, aversion and delusion.

How then should this intersect with the sankhāra in the 5 Aggregates scheme?

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