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Postby no mike » Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:19 am

Silly question, I know.

About how many people are on this planet, alive, who have reached enlightenment?

I would like to find one who is not terribly busy, I have many questions :D

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Re: help

Postby barcsimalsi » Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:46 am

Hi Mike, i'm eager as you but Arahunting always turn out in vain.
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Re: help

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:12 am

hahah Arahunting.

There are a few teachers rumored to be enlightened in the modern world today, but too much speculation on the issue is often considered unwholesome.
Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta

Stuff I write about things.
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Re: help

Postby manas » Tue Apr 30, 2013 6:34 am

no mike wrote:Silly question, I know.

About how many people are on this planet, alive, who have reached enlightenment?

I would like to find one who is not terribly busy, I have many questions :D

mike


hi.mike
my.guess.is.that.there.are.a.few.around
but.that.since.the.real.ones.dont.advertise.the.fact.publicly
they.are.going.to.be.hard.to.locate
but.if.you.hang.around.in.Buddhist.circles.long.enough
you.will.in.time.most.likely
run.in.to.one.

bear.in.mind.that.there.are.sites
where.your.original.question
would.have.possibly.already.been.met.by.someone
with.a."sure,Im.enlightened;what.did.you.want.to.ask?"
if.that.ever.happens.to.you.i.would.suggest
you.keep.your.scepticism.meter.turned.up.to"full"

i.dont.know.much.about.the.enlightened
but.im.sure.of.one.thing:they.are.humble.and.not.proud.

metta. :anjali:
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Re: help

Postby santa100 » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:31 pm

While waiting to find one, check out accesstoinsight.org and dhammawheel.com. You might be able to find answer to some of your questions... :smile:
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Re: help

Postby Rasko » Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:53 pm

no mike wrote:About how many people are on this planet, alive, who have reached enlightenment?

42
I would like to find one who is not terribly busy, I have many questions :D

I have invented an arahant detector, a portable brainwave scanner which makes arahunting so much easier. Price is $84,000, but just for you, I don't want that arahants are hunted to extinction.
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Re: help

Postby no mike » Wed May 01, 2013 1:16 pm

barcsimalsi
LonesomeYogurt
manas
santa100
Rasko

thank you :)

mike

8-)
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Re: help

Postby no mike » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:50 pm

santa100 wrote:While waiting to find one, check out accesstoinsight.org and dhammawheel.com. You might be able to find answer to some of your questions... :smile:


Ohhhh :D

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Re: help

Postby torqz » Wed Jul 31, 2013 5:03 pm

santa100 wrote:While waiting to find one, check out accesstoinsight.org and dhammawheel.com. You might be able to find answer to some of your questions... :smile:


The trouble with forums are they are a free for all, and anyone and everyone has a voice, and it is verry difficuilt to sort the wheat from the chaff so to speak. What you need to do in my opinion is find some real Dhamma some how, like find out as close as you can to the real deal what the -=Buddha=- actually said..Some noble friends would be nice too (Kalyana Mitra), or even -=a=- noble friend. As for finding somebody who is an Arahant how would you even know? The only way you would have some idea is to know there actions, speach etc over a long period, and judging this with the dhamma of the blessed one to see how they match up, then maybee, maybee, you might get some idea..

The thing is someone might think they are enlightend and tell you they are enlightend and not actually be enlightend...
May the triple gem bless bless you, may you quickly realize the 4 noble truths in this Gautama Buddhas dispensation... Sādhu! Sādhu! Sādhu!
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Re: help

Postby no mike » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:16 pm

PeDr0 wrote: to sort the wheat from the chaff


Yes, good point.

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Re: help

Postby SarathW » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:38 am

The best way to find Arhant is to become one of them.
I know it is bit too hard (at least for me at this stage).
So see whether you can become a Sotapanna at least.
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Re: help

Postby no mike » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:36 pm

SarathW wrote:The best way to find Arhant is to become one of them.
I know it is bit too hard (at least for me at this stage).
So see whether you can become a Sotapanna at least.
:)


Oh, Great. When I was in the Boyscouts, I had a very difficult time becoming a Tenderfoot. I was thrilled when my mom helped me achieve my only two merit badges, one was in bookbinding, and the other was for pets (I wasn't allowed to have a dog, so I interviewed a pet store owner and wrote an essay about my goldfish).

Anyways, I have been meaning to look up these classifications (Sotapanna, etc.), as well as the stages of enlightenment. Perhaps the language of Theravada will help me see a map, "you are here."

Many things are exciting that have been happening, but a little overwhelming. I feel like I've come out of a deep sleep and now I am trying to gain orientation to my surroundings.

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Re: help

Postby mal4mac » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:57 pm

The following seems to make sense, but I'd have to be enlightened to be sure!

"Because of the nondual nature of Enlightenment, the only person whose Enlightenment you can be absolutely certain about is your own. And even in that case, it is not even “your” Enlightenment that “you” are certain about. There is no “you”. There is no “thing” to be certain about. There is just Enlightenment."

http://integralscience.wordpress.com/20 ... lightened/

Unfortunately it doesn't get us very far in recognising who "might be" enlightened. This, perhaps, might help:

http://www.budakoda.ee/en/a-selection-o ... lightened/

"In the Canki Sutta the Buddha advises that the proper test of the truth of someone’s claim to be enlightened is an examination of their conduct for any evidence of greed, hatred or delusion... A person’s actions of body and of speech are a decisive indicator of the extent of their spiritual attainment. In the Vimamsaka and Thana Suttas the Buddha gives some detailed advice on how to go about testing the ethical conduct of a teacher. Is the appearance of ethical purity a recent phenomenon or has it been consistently evident for a long time? Here the Buddha ... even suggests that one of the ways to examine a person’s behaviour is to get close to them and to live next to them. A person’s behaviour should then be carefully examined in a variety of circumstances, watching not just for initial responses but paying attention to what might happen later. How does the person respond when faced with adversity? If suffering the loss of a relative or of wealth, or becoming ill, does the person respond with equanimity? Do they reflect that suffering happens when one clings to the self, or do they become afflicted with sorrow and grief? If they become a popular and even famous teacher, how do they respond to such popularity and fame? In their dealings with other members of the sangha, do they say one thing to one person and something else to another? Are their later dealings in harmony with their earlier dealings? Do they publicly rubbish some members of the sangha whilst praising others? Do they make false claims in their conversations and teachings, saying that they know or see things when they don’t? Do they avoid indulging in sensual pleasures out of fear of the consequences, or because they are truly without lust? When teaching or in discussion how does a person respond to an issue? How do they apply reasoning? Are they dull? Can they make the meaning plain and clear?... And, of course, it would also be expected of an enlightened person that they were unfailingly compassionate and kind."
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Re: help

Postby santa100 » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:58 pm

no mike wrote:Anyways, I have been meaning to look up these classifications (Sotapanna, etc.), as well as the stages of enlightenment. Perhaps the language of Theravada will help me see a map, "you are here."


You might want to check out "In the Buddha's Words" by Bhikkhu Bodhi. It's basically a guide map to the Nikayas. He spent the entire last chapter, The Planes of Realization, to talk about the stages of enlightenment. An excellent excellent book..
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Re: help

Postby mal4mac » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:20 pm

santa100 wrote:You might want to check out "In the Buddha's Words" by Bhikkhu Bodhi. It's basically a guide map to the Nikayas. He spent the entire last chapter, The Planes of Realization, to talk about the stages of enlightenment. An excellent excellent book..


I just read this excellent article by him on "What does it mean to be enlightened?":

http://buddhanet.net/budsas/ebud/ebdha341.htm
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Re: help

Postby no mike » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:09 am

santa100 wrote:You might want to check out "In the Buddha's Words" by Bhikkhu Bodhi. It's basically a guide map to the Nikayas. He spent the entire last chapter, The Planes of Realization, to talk about the stages of enlightenment. An excellent excellent book..


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Re: help

Postby acinteyyo » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:40 am

no mike wrote:Anyways, I have been meaning to look up these classifications (Sotapanna, etc.), as well as the stages of enlightenment. Perhaps the language of Theravada will help me see a map, "you are here."

It's best to start from "where you are" and with time and effort put into earnest practice observing the state(s) you're in you eventually come to realize that actually "you are not here". :lol:

best wishes, acinteyyo
Pubbe cāhaṃ bhikkhave, etarahi ca dukkhañceva paññāpemi, dukkhassa ca nirodhaṃ. (M.22)
Api cāhaṃ, āvuso, imasmiṃyeva byāmamatte kaḷevare, sasaññimhi samanake lokañca paññāpemi lokasamudayañca lokanirodhañca lokanirodhagāminiñca paṭipadan. (AN4.45)

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Re: help

Postby no mike » Fri Aug 02, 2013 11:44 am

acinteyyo wrote:
no mike wrote:Anyways, I have been meaning to look up these classifications (Sotapanna, etc.), as well as the stages of enlightenment. Perhaps the language of Theravada will help me see a map, "you are here."

It's best to start from "where you are" and with time and effort put into earnest practice observing the state(s) you're in you eventually come to realize that actually "you are not here". :lol:

best wishes, acinteyyo


Funny, I've had proof-of-residency issues this summer without a mailing address. You're right, I'm not here :D
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Re: help

Postby no mike » Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:01 pm

mal4mac wrote:The following seems to make sense, but I'd have to be enlightened to be sure!


Thank you for the links :)
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