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Re: Coffee may lower suicide risk by 50 percent

Postby Ben » Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:56 am

danieLion wrote:
Ben wrote:Very often excellent research does get funded by vested interests such as pharmaceutical companies - it doesn't necessarily mean that because the research was privately funded that the results are biased.

Hi Ben,
Have you read Deadly Monopolies: The Shocking Corporate Takeover of Life Itself--And the Consequences for Your Health and Our Medical Future by Harriet A. Washington; or Overdosed America: The Broken Promise of American Medicine by John Abramnson; or Manufacturing Depression: The Secret History of a Modern Disease by Gary Greenburg; or Selling Sickness: How the World's Biggest Pharmaceutical Companies Are Turning Us All Into Patients by Roy Moynihan and Alan Cassels; or The Truth About the Drug Companies: How They Deceive Us and What to Do About It by Marcia Angell; or The Rise and Fall of Modern Medicine by James Le Fanu?
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No I haven't Daniel. But not having read those books nor accepting the assumptions within them does not discount what I have said above.
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Re: Coffee may lower suicide risk by 50 percent

Postby cooran » Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:04 am

And .... Coffee protects against Alzheimer's Disease: :tongue:
http://health.usf.edu/nocms/publicaffai ... 111781.pdf

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Re: Coffee may lower suicide risk by 50 percent

Postby Ben » Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:18 am

cooran wrote:And .... Coffee protects against Alzheimer's Disease: :tongue:
http://health.usf.edu/nocms/publicaffai ... 111781.pdf

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That is interesting. Thank you Chris!
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Re: Coffee may lower suicide risk by 50 percent

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:36 am

Suicide may lower coffee risks by 100 percent :stirthepot:

Is life worth living without coffee? There are so many conflicting views — this is bad for you, this is good for you. Don't cycle, it's too dangerous. Don't drive everywhere, get more exercise, etc. :tantrum:

How about following the middle way regarding such things? If you're suicidal, don't rely on coffee to resolve your problems — seek professional help. On the other hand, if you want to meditate, don't drink too much tea and coffee.
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Re: Coffee may lower suicide risk by 50 percent

Postby Ben » Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:48 am

Thank you Bhante,
I don't think anyone has been suggesting that we do not take a middle way with these sorts of issues or to consume coffee instead of seeking professional help.
Personally, I think we have a responsibility to ourselves and others to ensure our health and wellbeing so that we can continue to practice for as long as possible and ensure those who depend on us can continue to do so while they need us. Hence, my interest in health and wellbeing.
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Re: Coffee may lower suicide risk by 50 percent

Postby PeterB » Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:52 am

Ben wrote:Thank you Lyndon for the courage to talk about your condition so candidly.

lyndon taylor wrote:And I do not believe the medicine I take in any way hinders my spiritual Journey, short of going on a vegan diet and losing 50lbs, its rather unlikely the amount of medicine I take is going to go down, but that's not any problem, it doesn't make me a second class Buddhist puttajhana that will never reach arhatship because I have a treatable mental illness, as one rather annoying poster tried to say in a thread on mental illness about a month ago, my sicknesses, illnesses, and medications don't define who I am, The buddha defines who I am, just another person on the path, a path to a better way of living.


You are right, neither your condition nor your medication makes you any less a Buddhist.
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I am unconvinced that becoming a vegan would have any positive effect on health Mr Taylor..there is growing evidence to the contrary...but why NOT lose 50lbs ? Its been done by many.
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Re: Coffee may lower suicide risk by 50 percent

Postby danieLion » Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:57 am

Ben wrote:Having said that, very often excellent research does get funded by vested interests such as pharmaceutical companies - it doesn't necessarily mean that because the research was privately funded that the results are biased.

Hi Ben,
This seems off-topic to me. But let's assume for now it's not. Could you provide some examples of such "very...excellent research"?
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Re: Coffee may lower suicide risk by 50 percent

Postby lyndon taylor » Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:53 am

danieLion wrote:
Ben wrote:Having said that, very often excellent research does get funded by vested interests such as pharmaceutical companies - it doesn't necessarily mean that because the research was privately funded that the results are biased.

Hi Ben,
This seems off-topic to me. But let's assume for now it's not. Could you provide some examples of such "very...excellent research"?
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Ben, please don't reply "this coffee study we're discussing" But yes there is both good and bad studies being done by both big pharma, and the independent almost unfunded altruists, having no money and wanting to change the world does not necessarily a serious scientific study make, in fact people obssesed with changing things, like big pharma, and some independents, will not stop to fake data to rosy up their cause. Its a real problem determining which studies you can believe, It used to be, major university, public funding, you could trust it, but even that isn't as true as it used to be.
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Re: Coffee may lower suicide risk by 50 percent

Postby manas » Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:22 am

Regarding coffee, I've found there are advantages to having it just weak and black, with no sugar or milk. Much more conducive to wakefulness, I've found. Having it weak is important ime, as if it's too strong both the stomach and the mind will be disturbed. (I ought to add that I grind it myself, from organically grown beans, and I could not have that freeze-dried battery-acid-flavoured powder that is marketed as 'instant coffee' in the same manner. That type of 'coffee' does need milk and sugar - to mask it's vile taste.)

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Re: Coffee may lower suicide risk by 50 percent

Postby Ben » Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:54 am

manas wrote:Regarding coffee, I've found there are advantages to having it just weak and black, with no sugar or milk. Much more conducive to wakefulness, I've found. Having it weak is important ime, as if it's too strong both the stomach and the mind will be disturbed. (I ought to add that I grind it myself, from organically grown beans, and I could not have that freeze-dried battery-acid-flavoured powder that is marketed as 'instant coffee' in the same manner. That type of 'coffee' does need milk and sugar - to mask it's vile taste.)

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Now now, that is just snobbery Manas!
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Re: Coffee may lower suicide risk by 50 percent

Postby manas » Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:47 am

Ben wrote:
manas wrote:Regarding coffee, I've found there are advantages to having it just weak and black, with no sugar or milk. Much more conducive to wakefulness, I've found. Having it weak is important ime, as if it's too strong both the stomach and the mind will be disturbed. (I ought to add that I grind it myself, from organically grown beans, and I could not have that freeze-dried battery-acid-flavoured powder that is marketed as 'instant coffee' in the same manner. That type of 'coffee' does need milk and sugar - to mask it's vile taste.)

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Now now, that is just snobbery Manas!


Ok Ben, I admit I don't really know what battery acid tastes like...but I imagine that it could be something like a cheap, powdered, instant black coffee :P

But yeah, each to his or her own taste. It is a free country, after all (so I hear)

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Re: Coffee may lower suicide risk by 50 percent

Postby Ben » Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:50 am

Not all instant coffees are the same, Manas. I'd rather a good instant than a crappy ground coffee any day.
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Re: Coffee may lower suicide risk by 50 percent

Postby manas » Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:59 am

Ben wrote:Not all instant coffees are the same, Manas. I'd rather a good instant than a crappy ground coffee any day.


Yes, point taken Ben. I do hope it was evident that my deprecating quip about instant coffee was meant in jest. I meant no offense either to it's fans, or it's manufacturers. I was actually kind of sending up the almost cultish obsession with regards to coffee, that some coffee drinkers have (including myself - yes, I am able to laugh at myself also). Just my quirky sense of humour I guess.

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Re: Coffee may lower suicide risk by 50 percent

Postby daverupa » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:47 pm

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    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
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Re: Coffee may lower suicide risk by 50 percent

Postby BubbaBuddhist » Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:06 pm

If coffee disappeared from the planet tomorrow, I would commit suicide.

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Re: Coffee may lower suicide risk by 50 percent

Postby Ben » Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:49 pm

Don't you dare, BB.
I am still waiting for the next installments in the Adoration series you are writing!
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Re: Coffee may lower suicide risk by 50 percent

Postby BubbaBuddhist » Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:37 am

Hi Ben,
I began work on LIVE BAIT just before I relocated to Knoxville, the town on which Adoration TN is based. Moving 400 miles cross country has been an exercise in adjustment. I'm still unpacking. I have been feeling the urge to write again since reading The Cassandra Clare series The Mortal Instruments (which are AWFUL). If you haven't read these, imagine someone, after a movie-marathon consisting of Harry Potter, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings and Twilight, decided to knead all the above together into a thin paste combining the plot-points of the lot. Add amateurish writing and brooding adolescent angst and it's hard to read without laughing aloud. Yet, these are best-sellers.

I will finish both Live Bait and New Face in Town when I can.

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Re: Coffee may lower suicide risk by 50 percent

Postby Ben » Sat Aug 10, 2013 1:08 am

No worries, BB.
I'll send you a pm - there's something I wish to discuss with you privately.
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Re: Coffee may lower suicide risk by 50 percent

Postby mal4mac » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:56 am

BubbaBuddhist wrote:If coffee disappeared from the planet tomorrow, I would commit suicide.


This looks like a strong attachment!

Might it be good practice to give it up for a week?

Seneca recommends giving up fancy foods for a period, so that you realise you will not feel suicidal when such trivia is unavailable. OK, he's not Buddhist; but aren't Buddhists supposed to stop craving for things?

I went down from 3/4 cups a day to 1... it didn't hurt at all!

Article here suggests instant is the healthiest:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... offee.html

"The soluble granules don't contain the fatty substances found in freshly ground coffee, so there is no risk to cardiovascular health. There is also less caffeine in instant coffee..."

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Re: Coffee may lower suicide risk by 50 percent

Postby BrianaDawson » Tue Sep 03, 2013 10:30 am

Drinking water is healthy and it's good for your body but if you drink 5 liters a day you can die. The same with coffee, just make sure you are not doing it too much and the prions you take are reasonable. Here is also a very curious video about health benefits of coffee consuming I am a long term strong coffee drinker and I drink about 30oz of it and I am a very healthy person.
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