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Prasangika Differences...

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Prasangika Differences...

Postby Beautiful Breath » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:40 pm

Hello all,

What are the main differences between Emptiness as taught by Nargajuna and Shantideva for example, and anatta as taught in classical Theravada?

Are there any differences?

What I see as the main difference is that the Prasangikas for example teach about the illusory nature of reality and its dream-like qualities. Is this an embelishment of 'anatta' or a divergence?

To me the Prasangika stance is pretty water-tight so I have to wonder how and why it would not be embraced.

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Postby Beautiful Breath » Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:08 pm

Bump...! :zzz:

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Postby Myotai » Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:00 pm

So far as I can see Nargajuna does not attribute any inherent existence to anything including the Dhammas. I am new to these comparisons but is it not true to state that this is in contradiction to the Madhyamika view that all phenomena INCLUDING the Dhammas are empty of self.

In terms of a brief description of the Prasangika view, I am not as qualified as others but I would say that it take Not-Self to a greater degree than any other school and in this context further than 'Classical Theravada'. There is nothing anywhere ever that can be reduced to a self not even the Paramathma Dhammas. My understanding is that this is not seen as the case by those who study Theravadin Abhidhamma?

I personally don't see how having understood how one phenomena is 'Empty' how this can possibly NOT be the case for all other phenomena...but I am of course happy to be corrected :thinking:
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Postby robertk » Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:02 pm

they may well be at odds. what do prasanghika say about paramattha dhammas?

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Postby robertk » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:05 am

Ok, what I am not clear on is how you categorise/distinguish concepts and realities. In Theravada paramattha dhammas arise and then cease instantly, but at the moment they arise they are utterly real, they are conditioned and not self.
Concepts like people are mere terms of designation. So people, human beings, money do not exist at all, they are only concepts.

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