Can Enlightenment Be Self Hypnosis

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Can Enlightenment Be Self Hypnosis

Postby arijitmitter » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:00 am

There is no exact description of Nibbana in Buddhist texts. Let us take a few words we usually associate with it - pure bliss, wisdom, joy, peace, stillness of mind and so on.

Can it be a state of self hypnosis ( Nibbana and the jhanas leading to it ) ? I am not denying meditation works and that it opens the subconscious. I am even willing to believe it gives a sixth sense and some extra sensory perception.

However when in self hypnosis the subject suggests to himself what he can do - give up smoking, worrying, anxiety. When he gives up anxiety ( real anxiety or his anxiety from guilt associated with smoking ) his mind opens up ( has more RAM to spare and less threads employing the CPU, to use a computer analogy ) and he finds he can lose weight, make more money, complete a college degree, learn a new language and so on.

I have not tried it but I am not entirely skeptical about it. ( That may beg the question how do some people become a success while smoking and worrying - well they have more RAM and a better CPU to start with; they could easily cope with all the hassles and have mental space left over to be a success etc; otherwise why do some of us get fed up with one job, one wife, one child and some be relaxed while juggling a $ 20 billion empire and two mistresses and a wife spread across two continents. )

What if you swapped giving up smoking as a goal of self hypnosis with Nibbana and tried it for many years. Will your brain rewire itself to make you happy all the time ? Is it a possibility ?

Nibbana and bliss of jhanas is just auto suggestion ?

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Re: Can Enlightenment Be Self Hypnosis

Postby SarathW » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:09 am

You can’t explain Nibbana in words. It is something to be realise.
The best we can do is hypnotise the man and do not wake him up and let him find out what Nibbana is!
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Re: Can Enlightenment Be Self Hypnosis

Postby SarathW » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:23 am

No objection.
Because I am not an Arahant. I don't no what it is!
I know only what is going inside my mind not yours. :)
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Postby SarathW » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:02 am

No problems.
Hypnosis is another conditioning.
Enlightenment is un conditioning.
:)
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Re: Can Enlightenment Be Self Hypnosis

Postby fig tree » Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:37 am

It seems possible for people to talk themselves into thinking that they are enlightened, and I suspect a lot of phony spiritual mastery is like this.

I heard a talk of Ajahn Brahm once in which he explained the five hindrances to be overcome in meditation in terms of the way that they impede one's seeing things as they really are, not just in meditation but in everyday life as well. As I understand it, the willingness of a person in a hypnotic state to engage with a somewhat phony version of reality in order to go along with what is requested of them is partially caused by the hindrance of desire. And if one succeeds in overcoming that, even temporarily, one will be in a genuinely clearer state of mind which doesn't use the same kind of tricks to make progress as it tends to do in hypnosis.

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Re: Can Enlightenment Be Self Hypnosis

Postby Crazy cloud » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:03 am

The Grand Finali

Desires are of various levels,
Being the crude, middle, subtle.
All are the snars to trap wordlings
In all of their undertakings.

The crude one i based on matter;
Body, money as its anchor.
All things pleasant to five sense-doors
Are what they want more and more.

The middle kind is satisfied
With happiness that is acquired
Trough mind being peaceful, tranquilled.
It thinks the highest goal's fullfilled.


It shuns making strenuous effort;
Abhors attempt to move forward,
Wallows in self-complacency,
Thinking it's final victory.

What'ver pleases the eyes, ears, nose,
Tounge, touch they regard as foremost.
Other than these they do not care;
Of all else never are they aware.

The subtle is far developed;
Such mind does not prefer to stop,
It can't be naively content,
But looks forward to attainment

Of that Dhamma beyond mundane,-
That which never will wax or wane,
Being the crown of all that's good
Trancending all the magnitudes

Of astronomical brightness,
Being secure, stable, changeless,
Where mundane consepts are absent.
That's what's known as Enlightenment.

Let Buddhists sublimate their desires,
Whit their minds gradually purified
Until they reach the atmosphere
Where gods and men respect, revere

This is the highets benefit
Off'ring the viewpoint ultimate.
It seems so far, yet is so nigh
If we should have the will to try.

Where there's a will, there's a way
But we must first of all display
our faith, courage, resolution
To breasth the air of that Dimension.

In doing good there is the end,
Aspirants attain this point when
They reach the full-final victory
There comes to them the Grand Finali.

Supremely pure and calm are they,
Where Peace unruffled holds sway,
Absolute is their Perfection:
"Tis where aspirants are Enlightened.

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Re: Can Enlightenment Be Self Hypnosis

Postby 3ball » Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:23 am

I agree that it's impossible to know for sure that someone IS enlightened. But it's possible to know if someone isn't enlightened! Someone who harms other living beings, fears death and pain, lies, teaches non-dhamma, indulges in sense pleasures. It's not proof positive, but it certainly weeds out anyone I've ever spent lots of time with.

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Re: Can Enlightenment Be Self Hypnosis

Postby mydoghasfleas » Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:39 am

Would an enlightened person even go around saying "I an enlightened?"

I don't think so. Their actions would speak for them.


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