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Postby perkele » Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:51 pm

Thank you, BlackBird...

Not good to describe on personal level.

Nothing personal.

I have done wrong. I hope others will recognize in their perspective and acknowledge.
I would be glad.

No need to invite argument about it.

Too many interactions here. Nothing personal.
Cannot really see, feeding on too much... senseless pride on my side.

Maybe BlackBird's post can be deleted, having served its purposes.
Thanks, BlackBird!
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Re: public apology

Postby BlackBird » Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:15 am

Look man, unless i've missed something you haven't "stabbed" anyone. It might be better if you feel you have wronged Bhante Pesala to private message him and do your apologies and forgiveness asking there rather than making it a public affair, which some might take exception to.

If your actions were such that they affected the whole community then a public apology might be warrented, but I suspect that is far from the case. Perkele, you've got a really good heart, and your lifestyle from what little I know is geared towards Dhamma, don't forget that.

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Re: public apology

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:13 pm

It rains hard on what is covered up, not on what is open. So if anyone thinks they have said something wrong then it's good to admit it. If something was said in public that should not have been said, then it's more noble to apologise in public too for the benefit of anyone who may have read those comments.

I have to admit to not understanding your comments, perkele, so I tend to disregard them, though I got the gist that I was being inconsiderate. We are all a bit crazy at times — that's why we need to meditate and cool down the passions.

I am not one to hide my feelings for fear of causing offence, and am often misunderstood because of brevity (and sometimes for levity — humour often fails to translate across cultures).

If I meet a troll, or someone who I think might be trolling, then I say so. If their intention was good, they will be able to give their reasons for posting the message that they did.. If they were just trolling or venting or pursuing some personal agenda, their true motivations will soon be exposed.

I don't much like private messages — as I don't have time to get involved in long exchanges.

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Re: public apology

Postby perkele » Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:14 pm

Thank you very much, Bhante Pesala!

It is good for me to learn in this way.

I have tried in some crooked way to achieve good by doing wrong. I have very crooked ideas.
And sometimes it seems I just want to push them out in crazy ways and see what happens.
It seems for me somehow sometimes a way of learning, although I must see again and again, that it is not at all in line with Dhamma. I hope it will not happen again.

It is me, of course, who acted in inconsiderate ways... I know. I really know.

I am very ashamed of my own doing.

Thank you for acting very considerately, although I have been so shameless.

Because having received helpful admonishment I feel very much relief and my perceptions can become more sane. :embarassed:

Thank you very much really for helping me out, and being so patient. :anjali:
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Re: public apology

Postby BlackBird » Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:46 pm

Maybe you're right Bhante it's not really for me to say one way or another, but I simply offer my opinion. It just strikes me as prudent that if you feel you've wronged somebody to talk to them about it, not to everyone, for in doing so we tend to attract those who are interested in gossip and frivolities, and that IMO can lead down an unskillful path. But I am just theorizing. As for PM's there's nothing innate about their nature that requires one to respond to any dialogue, or to get bogged down in "long exchanges" - The only difference between a private message and a public is who is entitled to view it

I think it's perfectly fine for us to have differing opinions on this subject however, that is the nature of this world after all and I don't mean to suggest that I am right and that you are wrong.

Perkele If you want this thread deleted then my suggestion is to pm the moderators and ask for them to remove it, if however you only want my post removed (or indeed this one also) then just say the word and I will happily remove it :)

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Re: public apology

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:52 pm

Greetings,

Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:It rains hard on what is covered up, not on what is open. So if anyone thinks they have said something wrong then it's good to admit it. If something was said in public that should not have been said, then it's more noble to apologise in public too for the benefit of anyone who may have read those comments.

:anjali:

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Re: public apology

Postby perkele » Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:14 am

@Jack: Thank you. No. Everything is fine to be open now.

As Bhante Pesala said and retro helpfully affirmed:
retrofuturist wrote:Greetings,

Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:It rains hard on what is covered up, not on what is open. So if anyone thinks they have said something wrong then it's good to admit it. If something was said in public that should not have been said, then it's more noble to apologise in public too for the benefit of anyone who may have read those comments.

:anjali:

Metta,
Retro. :)


This is really true.
Sometimes a wound needs to lie open to get some fresh air, so to speak.

Thank you, friends. I'm really glad about so much help. :)
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