How common is stream entry?

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Postby danieLion » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:12 pm

The chapters by Luang Por Pasanno in The Island are all about stream entry.

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Postby someguysomeguy » Thu May 08, 2014 6:29 am

Simile:

In a box having 10,000 flies only one is of white color (9,999 are Black in color). There is a small hole. Someone is asked to pick a fly. What is the probability that the fly picked will be White in color?.

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Re: How common is stream entry?

Postby SarathW » Fri May 09, 2014 4:34 am

And this from DN22:

“Let alone half a month. If anyone would develop these four
establishings of mindfulness in this way for seven days, one of two
fruits can be expected for him: either gnosis right here-&-now, or—if
there be any remnant of clinging-sustenance—non-return.”

http://www.dhammatalks.org/Archive/Writ ... 120810.pdf
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Re: How common is stream entry?

Postby waterchan » Fri May 09, 2014 4:55 am

quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur
(Anything in Latin sounds profound.)

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Re: How common is stream entry?

Postby SarathW » Fri May 09, 2014 5:26 am

Doubt is a hindrance!
Thanks for the link.
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Re: How common is stream entry?

Postby Mirdad » Sat Sep 06, 2014 12:33 pm

As stated before in this thread, there are a whole lot of misconceptios about awakening. The way it's often presented, many people feel it's something way beyond their reach. In fact it's not THAT incommon or even special. For an individual though, it's a life-changing experience. A modern awakened guru came up this year with a technique for awakening / stream-entry, when he felt after his own awakening that there could be a much easier way for this experience of no-self than countless years of meditation and contemplating information which is often unspecific or misleading.

This method, instead of meditating for hours, is more of a scientific, analytic, approach to the nature of "I".
1. Pay attention to any object, watch it intensively. Don't think anything, just watch. What is the nature of this direct cognition? When the eyes see, seeing happens. No effort is needed. No separate seer is needed. Is this so, or is it not? Examine.

2. Say to yourself: "I, I, I" or "my, my, my"). How does this feel? Do you feel a sense of freedom or a lack of freedom when you reinforce your feeling of I? Examine in what situations you have reinforced / continue to reinforce this feeling of I. When you search for this I, can you find it? Does it exist? Examine.

Examine according to phase 1 in all sorts of different situations, don't add any philosophy / spiritual teachings to this. Examine for yourself as if you've never heard anything about spirituality. Take a scientific approach to this. Is it so, or is it not?

Phase 2, this reinforcing the sense of "I", haven't you done it throughout your life? Whether it's in an earthly way or in a spiritual way, still it has been reinforced or it hasn't been examined yet. Is this sense of "I" a solid, unchanging fact that is always independent and separate? Is "I" something that is always a concrete base in your experience? Or is it just something in which you've always believed and taken as granted? Examine!

Put the work in! Who/what is this "I"? Is it?

Take this seriously, as if you're working on a master's thesis (I do recommend using writing/paper in this process). Many people have written down different situations where their "I" gets reinforced, then systematically examined WHAT this "I" is - is not. This will take many, many hours and days to come to a realization (but significantly less time than with other means one does by oneself, like awareness meditation). And obviously will be significantly more rewarding than getting any degree. :)

So put in the work!

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Re: How common is stream entry?

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Re: How common is stream entry?

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: How common is stream entry?

Postby SDC » Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:13 pm

Hello, Alex. Just keep in mind this thread is quite old and it has been some time since Ven. Nyanasuci has regularly posted.

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Re: How common is stream entry?

Postby diver110 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:05 am

True stream entry is rare, though more claim it than have it. In almost 30 years of practice, I have never met a lay person I felt had achieved it. A friend of mine who lived at a Theravada monastery for 9 years, said she once met one lay person who she thought achieved it, but was not sure. I know a coupe of western monks who I beleive have achieved it. My guess, among laiety 1 out of 1000, among monks, 1 out of 100.

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Re: How common is stream entry?

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postby Mirdad » Sat Sep 06, 2014 4:33 am
"A modern awakened guru came up this year with a technique for awakening / stream-entry, ... a much easier way for this experience of no-self than countless years of meditation and contemplating information which is often unspecific or misleading."

by Mkoll » Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:04 am
"Who is this person? What is his/her book, website, or other publication?"

Sound a lot like the method taut-ed at:


I've read a lot of his writings, and he posts a lot (mostly self-promotion) on the DharmaOverground forum. His own (multiple) websites / blogs keep changing, like whatever method he momentarily promotes. It seems he's recently porting his stuff into Facebook. I've got (downloaded) reams of the material as available earlier but can't find it as readily now (not willing to subject to Facebook).

Without going into the details, I'm convinced what he's talking about cannot be equated with Theravada "Stream-entry" -- unless one buys into the notion that the modern Western mind can abstract out some technical definition of that as a mind-state/condition, and then replicate it. To my mind that's a sophisticated form of scientific reductionism (though a major premise in many modernist buddhist spin-off movements). He freely borrows various popular Theravadan terms in his sales pitches, which is rather transparently just to attract attention.

From his auto-biographical material, his principle lineage appears to be along the lines of Yogananda Parmahansa-type Brahmanic tradition, i.e. his original and "principle" teacher. Witness the "Baba" persona. And in his "Bhumi" scale of levels of enlightenment, the only person ranked at the top (13) is Amma/Mata Amritanandamayi (and the highest Theravadan he's "read" ranks only a 6, well below his own 8). At one point he notes that he spent time at Amma's gatherings, but was rebuffed when he sought to help in teaching (i.e. probably self-promotion); Amma apparently saw right through that.

You probably can get the picture, but can go judge for yourself. (My view is not unbiased.)

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Re: How common is stream entry?

Postby Dhammavaro » Sat Feb 25, 2017 5:21 pm

Its very common, but most people don't speak about it.

I made it in my (!) first retreat.
We had not many books and dhammatalks.
We had to usa a Mantra (buddho)
During my first retreat, I had no idea about the different stages of enlightenment.

We had only one interview / week.
For 2 or 3 days I thought that I have reached fully enlightenment.
I spend years to repeat this, but it was not possible.
You enter the stream only once.

"First taste of Nibbana" was the answer of my 2. Teacher.

It's still possible. Don't believe Mara !
^^The Greatest Gift to Buddha, our Parents, our teacher..is to open the eye of dhamma^^

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Re: How common is stream entry?

Postby Disciple » Sat Feb 25, 2017 5:55 pm

In this day and age I'm assuming stream entry is not common at all.

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Re: How common is stream entry?

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“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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