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On Thanissaro Bhikkhu's anatta teachings

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Re: On Thanissaro Bhikkhu's anatta teachings

Postby kirk5a » Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:25 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: On Thanissaro Bhikkhu's anatta teachings

Postby reflection » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:54 pm

For example when the 5 'common' senses shut down and only mind is left, because it is quite a different experience from the usual, I can imagine some people may think that they found something that is outside of the ordinary, outside of the aggregates. While it is just the mind that is left.

Or the sense of there being some sense of continuity in consciousness, like there is a commonality shared between sight, hearing, touch etc. Some people call it the 'awareness'. But this commonality is the mind consciousness and not outside of the aggregates. Perhaps some people think this can exist without a sense awareness, but in my eyes awareness is not existing without an object.

And of course, wishful thinking. To say there is some consciousness existing in/of nibbana is easier to accept than nibbana being the end of all consciousness. And so this is what a lot of minds will naturally turn towards I think. The mind turns that into the 'truth' even if just to protect itself.

But my advise is to investigate assumptions like this deeper and see if they fit into the aggregates. Not to say this is right and the rest is wrong.

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: On Thanissaro Bhikkhu's anatta teachings

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: On Thanissaro Bhikkhu's anatta teachings

Postby reflection » Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:23 pm

Also here, it doesn't matter what I think. Even if I were to say I think I understand it, judging on how you ask it, probably you would still think I don't. And that would get us in the same position as when I said I think I don't understand it. Which either way I don't see being useful for you, me or anybody else. It surely won't do what I intended, which is to get people to investigate their own experience. Now, I hope we can continue in a more fashionable and useful way without getting personal about it. Otherwise I see no much use in keeping this conversation going.

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: On Thanissaro Bhikkhu's anatta teachings

Postby acinteyyo » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:30 am

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: On Thanissaro Bhikkhu's anatta teachings

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: On Thanissaro Bhikkhu's anatta teachings

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Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: On Thanissaro Bhikkhu's anatta teachings

Postby kirk5a » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:05 pm

Hm. I think people who love to quote SN 35.23 really need to read all "the all" suttas to be in line with what is being conveyed there. That would be SN 35.23 through 35.52. SN 35.23 does not stand alone as some kind of philosophical/metaphysical trump card. That simply establishes the scope of what the Buddha is talking about in the following suttas. The emphasis is on abandoning the all, understanding the all, experiencing revulsion and dispassion for the all, uprooting all conceivings.... for the sake of ending suffering, the liberation of the mind by non-clinging.
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