Still, I think our Mahayana friends have the edge. Funny that.I'm about as liberal as you can get as far as American politics are concerned
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Still, I think our Mahayana friends have the edge. Funny that.I'm about as liberal as you can get as far as American politics are concerned
As long as those legitimate and compelling reasons are clear and the agencies involved act within there remit and in accordance with the law. In the UK there is certainly the feeling that many (state and other) institutions are out of control and are not being held accountable.Ben wrote:In my opinion, I think there are some legitimate and compelling reasons why the US, or for that matter the UK or Australia would engage in surveillance on its own citizens. Without surveillance on its own citizens how could nations neutralize internal terrorist threats or combat well-organized crime?
for gods sake what? is there some substance to your apparent objection?Ben wrote:oh for gods sake!kirk5a wrote:http://reason.com/blog/2013/06/10/russ- ... secret-legBen wrote:what secret laws?
Agreed. Just look at the recent reports concerning the police in the UK.Mr Man wrote: As long as those legitimate and compelling reasons are clear and the agencies involved act within there remit and in accordance with the law. In the UK there is certainly the feeling that many (state and other) institutions are out of control and are not being held accountable.
So if Ghandi were to be crushed by the English and fail in the independence of India, he would be nothing but a loser?alan wrote:I'm about as liberal as you can get as far as American politics are concerned, but let's face it--by now, everyone knows electronic media is surveilled.
This guy made a big fuss, wasted his future, and accomplished nothing. Seems more like a loser than a hero.
This is quite ironic when the current U.S. government (since the 1860s) has been and is the most organized crime syndicate on earth. Lincoln put an end to de jure government in the united States when in March of 1861 the Congress adjourned sine die (from the Latin "without day;" means "without assigning a day for a further meeting or hearing"), and has never since then re-adjourned under law. The U.S. has been run under Executive Emergency Rule ever since (something that is not in the Constitution and is therefore unlawful). What we have is a de facto federal government which operates outside the Constitution. The U.S. federal government is run by a corporate elite, long since having been unaccountable to the People.Without surveillance on its own citizens how could nations neutralize internal terrorist threats or combat well-organized crime?
And what I find ironic, dear Ian, is that intelligent people like you believe in this anemic conspiratorial drivel. It beggers belief.IanAnd wrote:This is quite ironic when the current U.S. government (since the 1860s) has been and is the most organized crime syndicate on earth. Lincoln put an end to de jure government in the united States when in March of 1861 the Congress adjourned sine die (from the Latin "without day;" means "without assigning a day for a further meeting or hearing"), and has never since then re-adjourned under law. The U.S. has been run under Executive Emergency Rule ever since (something that is not in the Constitution and is therefore unlawful). What we have is a de facto federal government which operates outside the Constitution. The U.S. federal government is run by a corporate elite, long since having been unaccountable to the People.Without surveillance on its own citizens how could nations neutralize internal terrorist threats or combat well-organized crime?
Those brave enough to look into the real history of America (and not the propaganda taught in the Public schools) will easily be able to confirm this for themselves.
Not at all. And with the continued browning of America -- and now with gay marriage -- the anemic conspiratorial drivel is only going to get worse.Ben wrote: is that intelligent people like you believe in this anemic conspiratorial drivel. It beggers belief.
And what would a "more enlightened response" look like?lyndon taylor wrote:I would have expected more enlightened responses!!!!
What do you think is actually being done?lyndon taylor wrote:Perhaps comparing it to 1984, and how, while they claim it is only being used against terrorists now, they have the infastructure to spy on anyone and everyone they please, in the future even buddhists could be the target, or fringes of either political parties, depending on who's in charge. It sets a very bad precedent for free speech, some thing increasingly the courts are ruling is not a right anymore.
I don't think people actually know what is being done and this is one of the problems. I would speculate that large databases are being built profiling the citizenship and as tax payer I'm not convinced that this is the best use of my money or the best method for dealing with terrorism, crime etc. I would also imagine that information is used to help certain groupings vested interests and agendas.tiltbillings wrote:What do you think is actually being done?lyndon taylor wrote:Perhaps comparing it to 1984, and how, while they claim it is only being used against terrorists now, they have the infastructure to spy on anyone and everyone they please, in the future even buddhists could be the target, or fringes of either political parties, depending on who's in charge. It sets a very bad precedent for free speech, some thing increasingly the courts are ruling is not a right anymore.
In other words, you have not really been reading what has been written about what is going on. There a fair amount of good info out there.Mr Man wrote: I don't think people actually know what is being done and this is one of the problems. I would speculate that large databases are being built profiling the citizenship and as tax payer I'm not convinced that this is the best use of my money or the best method for dealing with terrorism, crime etc. I would also imagine that information is used to help certain groupings vested interests and agendas.