Anatta takes out metta

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Re: Anatta takes out metta

Postby reflection » Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:27 am

Hi,

By the nature of the path, more insight leads to more peace, more metta, more compassion. I think it is very important to look at those indicators to judge our path. If our insights or ideas don't lead to this, they are not helpful, most likely not right. As it seems to me, your reflection of the aggregates may not be correct or not based upon the right experiences. Otherwise it would naturally lead to metta. Because if you have (part of) a founded understanding of anatta, you can let go more easily. Metta and compassion arise by themselves through this letting go (of ill will/anger). You wouldn't even really need a specific object. So as I suggested before, see if you can put aside the way you see anatta, at the very least when doing metta meditation. And/or try more samatha practice instead of insight focused reflections. I think it'll work.

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Re: Anatta takes out metta

Postby lyndon taylor » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:23 am

It seems to me Buddhism is a graded path, and developing Metta and compassion would normally come first, before tackling non self. The teaching of non self is just one stage on the path, not the end all that makes everything else fall into line IMHO, though it doesn't hurt the rest of our practise, at least it shouldn't.
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Re: Anatta takes out metta

Postby reflection » Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:04 pm

Hi,

I understand your problem a bit more now. I agree there is not so much difference between samatha and vipassana and one leads to the other and vice versa. But for me, anatta is not so much a reflection, contemplation or idea. In meditation it's more like a position I'm in. Or not in, as it's a position of 'me' not being there, me not involving in the meditation. If you have a sense of 'you' doing the meditation, 'you' contemplating anatta, you may miss this. As I said earlier, it is not like you decide to see things as anatta from one point on.

There can be more ways to remove restlessness, but for me they come down to the same thing. In a way it is accepting whatever is, which is also an aspect of metta. I'd say just accept restlessness, don't try to counter it with some contemplation if that contemplation blocks you somewhere else. If you can just embrace things as they are, there metta and peacefulness arise together. Ajahn Brahm calls it 'kindfulness'. :rofl:

But I don't know for how long you have this obstacle. As you said, it started recently. I wouldn't worry about it too much because I don't think it will last long. The mind will find a way around it. A greater obstacle to generating metta is being a bit angry at yourself because you can't do it. I'd watch out for that one.

As for metta and compassion, try to find the most easy subject for you and make a sharp mental image of it before wishing it well. This works for me. It may also help to do some more kind acts in real life, remembering that the path is not only meditation. If you're stuck, meditation is not always the factor that's holding you back. For example, upholding the precepts fully is important as well.

Don't want to sound like a teacher or anything, so the above is just my experience and take what you think is helpful, leave the rest.

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Re: Anatta takes out metta

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Re: Anatta takes out metta

Postby Gaoxing » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:02 pm

Sunnata is Anatta is Metta. Wrong metta? Wrong Anatta? A cup of coffee can also make you feel good but coffee is off track.

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Re: Anatta takes out metta

Postby SarathW » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:34 am

Is this any help?
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“Taken together, these two similes set the stage for the remainder of the discourse, which focuses on the teaching of not-self. This is one of the most easily misapprehended teachings in the Canon largely because it is possible to draw the wrong inferences from it.”
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