the great rebirth debate

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Alex123 » Fri May 17, 2013 2:56 pm

I want to believe in rebirth. How can one argue for it?

Maybe if idealism was true, then kamma and rebirth would be less problematic. For example: new life is continuation of one long dream. Good kamma creates good dream while negative kamma creates nightmare, and if one doesn't intend - then eventually the dream will end. Just like the dream can be somewhat uncontrollable (these are results of previous done kamma), with illusion of objects and beings, maybe so is the world. But, how can we prove this?


Another idea is to posit some sort of new type of dualism where there are two distinct phenomenon:
a) awareness
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b) phenomena which includes body, brain and mental states.

It means that there is passive awareness (a) observing mental and physical states (b). The difficulty is in what can awareness control and how? Is it eternal slave to (b) and can never separate from it? How would the path be possible then?

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Postby Ben » Sat May 18, 2013 10:47 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

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in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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A Japanese man has been arrested on suspicion of writing a computer virus that destroys and replaces files on a victim PC with manga images of squid, octopuses and sea urchins. Masato Nakatsuji, 27, of Izumisano, Osaka Prefecture, was quoted as telling police: "I wanted to see how much my computer programming skills had improved since the last time I was arrested."

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Alex123 » Mon May 20, 2013 4:24 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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