More important: view or practice?

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More important: view or practice?

Postby Stiphan » Thu May 02, 2013 4:14 pm

I remember a conversation between a Tibetan Buddhist (Namdrol) and a Zen Buddhist (Genkaku). The Tibetan Buddhist said that view is more important than practice, while the Zen Buddhist disagreed, saying that practice is more important than view.

What would a Theravada Buddhist say?

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Re: More important: view or practice?

Postby reflection » Thu May 02, 2013 5:18 pm

They are both right.

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Re: More important: view or practice?

Postby fivebells » Thu May 02, 2013 5:23 pm

Which is more important to physical vision: the visual cortex, or the eyes? If either goes missing, you don't have much left.

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Re: More important: view or practice?

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Thu May 02, 2013 5:36 pm

Perhaps the division between view and practice is a false one. After all, Right View is in itself a practice. It's not just about sitting there with the right opinions and thoughts - it's about training yourself to see things in a way that is in accord with the Dhamma, and it is as much a skill to develop as Right Mindfulness or Right Concentration.
Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta

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Re: More important: view or practice?

Postby daverupa » Thu May 02, 2013 5:40 pm

Practice runs and circles around right view, ideally.

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Re: More important: view or practice?

Postby Coyote » Thu May 02, 2013 5:41 pm

"If beings knew, as I know, the results of giving & sharing, they would not eat without having given, nor would the stain of miserliness overcome their minds. Even if it were their last bite, their last mouthful, they would not eat without having shared."
Iti 26

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Re: More important: view or practice?

Postby m0rl0ck » Thu May 02, 2013 6:39 pm

"Right view" without practice is like any other view, just another source of pride, disappointment and discontent.
“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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Re: More important: view or practice?

Postby retrofuturist » Thu May 02, 2013 10:58 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: More important: view or practice?

Postby kirk5a » Fri May 03, 2013 12:36 am

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: More important: view or practice?

Postby hopedhamma » Fri May 03, 2013 2:18 am

The most important thing to start with is the understanding of dhamma and the nature of it. Starting from the understanding of what dhamma really is will result in the correct path which are the right view and the right practice. The understanding of dhamma comes from being friends with people who know dhamma, to listen to dhamma discussion, to read, and to analyze dhamma when it appears. You can actually start by reading Abhidhamma.

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