Why care about kamma & rebirth if there is no "I"

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ground
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Re: Why care about kamma & rebirth if there is no "I"

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binocular wrote:
ground wrote:I never knows. When I ceases knowing unfolds and kamma and rebirth cease ... if there is distraction I arises again and knowing is veiled.
Awww. I don't believe you. ;)
There is neither a need to believe the ideas that arise upon the eye contacting meaningless forms aka words, nor does there inhere an appeal to believe these conditioned ideas in these forms aka words. Ideas are just expressing themselves by means of words. :sage:
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Re: Why care about kamma & rebirth if there is no "I"

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Dhamma is everything real, and everything real is dhamma. Before knowing exactly about there's no us, you need to understand the real meaning of it.

Dhamma happens without anyone forcing to happen, When we open our eyes, we can't force ourselves not to see, When going to bed and close our eyes, we can't force not to think. Everything happens, it has happened because of the factors and the cumulative heaps that we have done, thought, seen, tasted, touched, heard in the past. What we has done now and in the past is called "kamma" and the result of it is Vipaka. Seeing, hearing, and every senses happens because they are Vipaka Citta.

This means that Kamma is also the factor for Vipaka and can't be forced not to happen. The rebirth of a person is also from Kamma as a factor since a person is still deep in all types of passion lopa, moha, and tosa and these 3 passions are the factor of endless reborn.

The enlightenment of the knowing of there's no "i" is also from the factor that a person patipati dhamma and knowing exactly that there is really no "i". The real understanding of no "i" starts from Nama Rupa Parichetayana which is the first yanna of becoming Sodabun which is also from the result of Satipattana.

The thinking of "why care about kamma & rebirth" is also dhamma and when Satipattana arises knowing that it is just the namma or thinking, then at that point, there's no "i" at that moment and it is the highest Kusala of all because it arises with Panya.
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Re: Why care about kamma & rebirth if there is no "I"

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ground wrote:There is neither a need to believe the ideas that arise upon the eye contacting meaningless forms aka words, nor does there inhere an appeal to believe these conditioned ideas in these forms aka words. Ideas are just expressing themselves by means of words. :sage:
I've heard this one once:

Tectonic plates shift. After many kalpas of ardent meditation, each on his own tectonic plate, two impersonalist yogis are now facing eachother, though their transcendentally inclined vision is slightly blurred from the aeons of settling dust and lice-ridden scruffy hair. Angered by the existence of an other - oh, the competition! - they start fighting, pulling on their lice- and flea-ridden hair and beards, scratching eachother with millenial nails. Eventually, each yogi picks up a rock and has a go at the other one. As one's skull proves itself to be softer than the other's, one yogi prevails, exclaiming "I am the impersonalist!"

:yingyang:
Hic Rhodus, hic salta!
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