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Distorted Visions of Buddhism: Agnostic and Atheist

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Distorted Visions of Buddhism: Agnostic and Atheist

Postby Kusala » Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:51 am

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Re: Distorted Visions of Buddhism: Agnostic and Atheist

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Re: Distorted Visions of Buddhism: Agnostic and Atheist

Postby James the Giant » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:00 am

Just another Stephen Batchelor-bashing article.
Nothing new.
Same old anti-secular-buddhism position.
Fair enough to criticise, and valid points, but it has all been said before.
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saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.

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Re: Distorted Visions of Buddhism: Agnostic and Atheist

Postby Ben » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:14 am

I think most, if not all visions of Buddhism are distortions. Some visions more distorted than others.
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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Re: Distorted Visions of Buddhism: Agnostic and Atheist

Postby kirk5a » Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:12 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Distorted Visions of Buddhism: Agnostic and Atheist

Postby marc108 » Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:02 pm

"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."

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Re: Distorted Visions of Buddhism: Agnostic and Atheist

Postby Spiny Norman » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:27 am

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Re: Distorted Visions of Buddhism: Agnostic and Atheist

Postby Buckwheat » Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:12 pm

Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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Re: Distorted Visions of Buddhism: Agnostic and Atheist

Postby m0rl0ck » Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:24 pm

“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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Re: Distorted Visions of Buddhism: Agnostic and Atheist

Postby Alex123 » Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:44 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Distorted Visions of Buddhism: Agnostic and Atheist

Postby David N. Snyder » Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:40 pm

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Re: Distorted Visions of Buddhism: Agnostic and Atheist

Postby Alex123 » Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:09 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Distorted Visions of Buddhism: Agnostic and Atheist

Postby Kare » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:49 pm

Mettāya,
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Re: Distorted Visions of Buddhism: Agnostic and Atheist

Postby imagemarie » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:02 pm

:goodpost: (I like Stephen Bachelor)

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Re: Distorted Visions of Buddhism: Agnostic and Atheist

Postby Kim OHara » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:44 pm

I'm going to say :goodpost: too, although I'm not madly enthusiastic about Batchelor.
As Kare said, the teachings were adapted to (and in) each new culture they were carried to. Over time they diverged further, which is why we have so many schools - each of which is still "Buddhism" by its own account and by any reasonable outside assessment. Now - in the last fifty years anyway - the different schools have come into regular contact with each other after their long isolation and have to resolve some of the differences.
At the same time, the dhamma is finding ways to co-exist with a scientific worldview and is having to downplay (or even throw out) elements which are totally inconsistent with that worldview. (And not just the dhamma - the Christians have had exactly the same problem, and the Moslems are going to have it even worse as and when their cultures become truly modern.)
Batchelor's is just one of the more radical adaption attempts. Not the worst, not the best ... but at least it's an attempt.

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Re: Distorted Visions of Buddhism: Agnostic and Atheist

Postby Alex123 » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:53 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Distorted Visions of Buddhism: Agnostic and Atheist

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Re: Distorted Visions of Buddhism: Agnostic and Atheist

Postby Viscid » Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:56 pm

I am usually skeptical about criticism that judges the Buddhist views of others as being flawed or distorted.. Buddhism is not some well-defined entity against which we can validate the proper adherence of views. Though we may have a strong intuition as to what isn't dhamma, if it isn't obviously contrary to the goal of ending suffering, such intuition is usually just the product of personal dogmatism.
"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Re: Distorted Visions of Buddhism: Agnostic and Atheist

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Re: Distorted Visions of Buddhism: Agnostic and Atheist

Postby Alex123 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:40 am

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."


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