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MN27: Only arahant has full confidence in tisarana?

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MN27: Only arahant has full confidence in tisarana?

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Re: MN27: Only arahant has full confidence in tisarana?

Postby polarbear101 » Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:07 pm

That sutta is just following the often occurring process of the gradual training depicted in the discourses and so it doesn't address the lower levels of awakening, but given that a stream enterer has seen the 4 noble truths in depth to some extent it makes sense that they would no longer have any doubt about the Teacher, the Teachings, or those who have practiced the teaching well.

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Re: MN27: Only arahant has full confidence in tisarana?

Postby reflection » Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:47 pm

See also the footnotes. "The sentence stating that the stream-enterer has come to a conclusion without coming to conclusion is a play on words."

Meaning, (s)he came to the conclusion about enlightenment of the Buddha, but is not fully enlightened (concluded).

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Re: MN27: Only arahant has full confidence in tisarana?

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Re: MN27: Only arahant has full confidence in tisarana?

Postby puppha » Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:21 am

Thank you for your comments. Indeed, it looks more like a word play than a strict doctrinal point. In addition, the Buddha was speaking to a Brahmin who was not a lay-follower yet, so the discourse is probably not to be taken as exact doctrinal points.
Thanissaro Bhikkhu does mention in the note the inconsistency of the particular term in use here, ie. "nittha".

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