S.N Goenka
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Re: S.N Goenka
At this point it would make sense to discuss the particular way Goenka teaches and point out specifically what he does or does not teach which would place him on the fringes of Theravada. Otherwise .....
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Re: S.N Goenka
that's the regional expert on theravada buddhism's (ajahn thanissaro's) statement, based on what is in the suttas.That's your opinion
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php
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No it is not. It is garden variety Burmese Theravada.greggorious wrote:Is S.N Goenka's style of Buddhism different to the usual Theravada teachings?. Does he run a different tradition altogether, or is it an offshoot of Theravada?
When I went to Myanmar to do a 30-day course under the instruction of SN Goenka, the govt gave me a religious visa to attend a course of Theravada meditation.
Unfortunately, many people don't realize that the ten-day course is an introductory ten-day course.
kind regards,
Ben
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- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725
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Re: S.N Goenka
burmese theravada = typically commentarial and sub-commentarial (sometimes in contradiction to the suttas e.g. when it comes to right concentration)
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php
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This is not correct.convivium wrote:burmese theravada = typically commentarial and sub-commentarial (sometimes in contradiction to the suttas e.g. when it comes to right concentration)
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725
Compassionate Hands Foundation (Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • Buddhist Global Relief • UNHCR
e: [email protected]..
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725
Compassionate Hands Foundation (Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • Buddhist Global Relief • UNHCR
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VM jhana vs sutta jhana are entirely different descriptions. vipassana only schools contradict the suttas directly.
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php
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mogok, mahasi, u bah khin, and pa auk (the leading teachers/lineages in burma) each fall in one of these two categories
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php
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With respect, I don't think you know what you are talking about.
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725
Compassionate Hands Foundation (Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • Buddhist Global Relief • UNHCR
e: [email protected]..
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725
Compassionate Hands Foundation (Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • Buddhist Global Relief • UNHCR
e: [email protected]..
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yeah i do.
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php
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While it is clear that there are a variety of opinions on how to interpret the Buddha-Dhamma, it seems rather odd to claim that those who follow the Theravada Commentaries are "not Theravada". That is, after all, what defines Theravada (as opposed to the various other ancient schools and modern interpretations...).
Mike
Mike
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i don't disagree with that at all. but i'll mention that most all the contemplations and recollections are missing.
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php
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and all the possible objects of meditation that might work better for certain people are ruled out.
the teachings are depersonalized (the at's can only say certain things), literally mechanized, and moreover can make you lose yourself too quickly (possibly before you have a self).
the teachings are depersonalized (the at's can only say certain things), literally mechanized, and moreover can make you lose yourself too quickly (possibly before you have a self).
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php
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Really? in that case I prefer the scholar expert on theravada buddhism's (Ven. Analayo) statement, based on what is in the suttas and also in the chinese Agamas parallelsthat's the regional expert on theravada buddhism's (ajahn thanissaro's) statement, based on what is in the suttas.
About that, here is another recent article of Ven. Analayo of the three more popular insight meditation approaches (Ven. Mahasi Sayadaw, S.N. Goenka and Pa Auk) and the relation of this meditation methods with the early discourses in the pali Nikayas and some very important medieval treatises ( The Abhidhammatthasaṅgaha, the Visuddhimagga, the Vimuttimagga and the Paṭisambhidāmagga):burmese theravada = typically commentarial and sub-commentarial (sometimes in contradiction to the suttas e.g. when it comes to right concentration)
http://www.buddhismuskunde.uni-hamburg. ... nsight.pdf
All the world is on fire, All the world is burning, All the world is ablaze, All the world is quaking. That which does not quake or blaze, That to which worldlings do not resort, Where there is no place for Mara:That is where my mind delights. (SN 5.7)
By degrees, little by little,
from moment to moment,
the wise purify themselves,
as a smith purifies silver.
—Dhammapada 239
By degrees, little by little,
from moment to moment,
the wise purify themselves,
as a smith purifies silver.
—Dhammapada 239
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i don't* think thanissaro would disagree with that statement. but it's not a comprehensive statement. a grain of sand is part of a beach. mcdonalds is part of burger selling.
Last edited by convivium on Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:18 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php
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Re: S.N Goenka
No, you really do not know of what you speak.convivium wrote:yeah i do.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723