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The causes for wisdom

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Re: The causes for wisdom

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Hi Kevin,

I don't want to barge in, but I want to share that I remember when I participated here in the beginning (a few years ago), some of Tilt's posts would seem to really get on my nerves. I viewed that as my shortcoming.

Right now, they don't seem to bother me anymore, which is quite a change for me... in fact, I enjoy them. I'm appreciative of Tilt's contribution, along with experience. I even think of him as one of the essential members on here, if I might say so.

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Re: The causes for wisdom

Postby Viscid » Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:44 pm

Tilt's posts are some of the best on this forum. He's aggressive, but that's part of his charm. If your argument is solid, his bark shouldn't frighten you into reacting defensively.

Also, it sounds like robert's 'sampajanna' is a bit of a bastardization of it-- I don't think one can go about their day at work and picking up kids and blah blah maintaining clear comprehension at all times. I imagine it's more appropriate for monks where there's a routine which can be accomplished without much extraordinary forethought. The chaos of modern laylife is not very conductive at all for what I imagine 'sampajanna' to be. Though I could be biased since I myself am undisciplined and lazy.
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Re: The causes for wisdom

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Thank you, gentlemen, for the kind words, but back to the topic, please.

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Re: The causes for wisdom

Postby Dan74 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:59 pm

I am not sure if it's just me or if this sounds like an old family dispute, obscure to all but the participants. So at the risk of being thick and obnoxious can I ask if this is related to the previous debate of sati as recollection vs sati as bare awareness?

In other words there are people who favour recalling the teachings and using them as a tool to deal with mindstates and there are people who favour bringing full attention to the mind or engaging in a more immediate way?

Does wisdom arise from recollection of teachings or does it arise from...?
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Re: The causes for wisdom

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Re: The causes for wisdom

Postby kirk5a » Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:56 am

Who decided to start this thread? Robert. Case closed.
"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: The causes for wisdom

Postby tiltbillings » Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:06 am

So, the point is, in classical Theravada, that we can talk about the "causes of wisdom" using conventional sutta language or the the Abhidhamma style language. And now we can get on with the topic.

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Re: The causes for wisdom

Postby SamKR » Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:06 am

As I understand it: There is an illusory (== conventional?) self who decides. But there is no self who decides, there are only decisions.
I would appreciate any correction to my views (from both sides :)).

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