They are pre-thought. If you mean thought as it is usually understood in English.Rahula wrote:Yes, it is relevant. Thank you for mentioning it.Mr Man wrote:Rahula the Nidāna Sutta is relevant. http://www.buddha-vacana.org/sutta/angu ... 3-112.html
Lobha-Alobha, Dosa-Adosa, Moha-Amoha: These are all in our mind, isn't it? These are all thoughts.
First we have thoughts of lobha,dosa,moha and then take actions which results in akusala karma.
Or we have thoughts of alobha,adosa,amoha and then take actions which results in kusala karma.
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Samma Ditti: Right view is most important.
Mano Pubbangama Dhamma
Mano Setta Manomaya
Mind is the forerunner of all phenomena
Mind is chief, they are all mind created
Mano Pubbangama Dhamma
Mano Setta Manomaya
Mind is the forerunner of all phenomena
Mind is chief, they are all mind created
May you be happy, healthy & successful in everything you do!
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Interesting attitudes around the world
20 of your tales of Vegetarian Woe
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21122072" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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20 of your tales of Vegetarian Woe
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21122072" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Good stuff. This one made me smile:cooran wrote:Interesting attitudes around the world
20 of your tales of Vegetarian Woe
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21122072" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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10. Julieta, Buenos Aires, Argentina: I am also a non-meat eater in a country where vegetarianism is an exotic illness. Try telling people you don't eat red meat in Argentina. First question is always "Why?", followed by "Are you sick?" and, later, any of the following: "Are you sure? Come on, a bit won't hurt", or "Don't you ever feel like you're dying for steak?"
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Those are good. Some of my tales are similar:
I order a vegetarian meal and get fish (as if fish are not animals, yes not mammals, but still members of the Animal Kingdom).
One waiter asked, "but why??" when I asked what vegetarian options there were.
"So you only eat fish and chicken?"
"What do you even eat??" (as if omnivores only eat meat, no bread, no pasta, no veggies, no beans, etc., etc.)
"I could never be a vegetarian, I am a strict carnivore!" (again, see my comment above, as if omnivores only eat meat and nothing else)
"But you need animal protein, how do you stay healthy?" (and this person recently came back from the doctor with high cholesterol and other ailments)
I order a vegetarian meal and get fish (as if fish are not animals, yes not mammals, but still members of the Animal Kingdom).
One waiter asked, "but why??" when I asked what vegetarian options there were.
"So you only eat fish and chicken?"
"What do you even eat??" (as if omnivores only eat meat, no bread, no pasta, no veggies, no beans, etc., etc.)
"I could never be a vegetarian, I am a strict carnivore!" (again, see my comment above, as if omnivores only eat meat and nothing else)
"But you need animal protein, how do you stay healthy?" (and this person recently came back from the doctor with high cholesterol and other ailments)
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its funny how people speak with such strong pride about things like that, on both ends!David N. Snyder wrote: "I could never be a vegetarian, I am a strict carnivore!" (again, see my comment above, as if omnivores only eat meat and nothing else)
"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."
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hahaha this reminds me of a dinner in a very good restaurant in Istanbul. We had all these fantastic little things for starters, many of which were vegetarian, so that was nice. No vegetarian main course on the menu, but after some discussion they suggested mushrooms. Sounded good enough.... but what did I get? A big bowl containing warmed up tinned champignons, nothing else ))cooran wrote:Interesting attitudes around the world
20 of your tales of Vegetarian Woe
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21122072" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Somewhere I've read that because fish & chicken is not as high up the evolutionary chain as say beef, the kamma that comes from killing one of these is not as great as it would be for killing cattle for example. Would someone who is more knowledgeable than me please either endorse or refute this view.David N. Snyder wrote:Those are good. Some of my tales are similar:
I order a vegetarian meal and get fish (as if fish are not animals, yes not mammals, but still members of the Animal Kingdom).
One waiter asked, "but why??" when I asked what vegetarian options there were.
"So you only eat fish and chicken?"
"What do you even eat??" (as if omnivores only eat meat, no bread, no pasta, no veggies, no beans, etc., etc.)
"I could never be a vegetarian, I am a strict carnivore!" (again, see my comment above, as if omnivores only eat meat and nothing else)
"But you need animal protein, how do you stay healthy?" (and this person recently came back from the doctor with high cholesterol and other ailments)
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I am not so sure about that one. A being's ranking on the food hierarchy does not mean that those higher up have higher consciousness than those lower down the scale. In my opinion, it would be wrong to equate the mind's consciousness with intelligence as human beings have defined it. The mind (as defined in Buddhism) of a human and that of a snail would be equal and so a human being can take rebirth as a snail and vice versa without each having to go through a process where the mind or consciousness is added or taken away. There is nowhere in the teachings that says such a process exists and therefore we must accept that the mind and its consciousness is preserved whole from one life form to another.shaunc wrote:Somewhere I've read that because fish & chicken is not as high up the evolutionary chain as say beef, the kamma that comes from killing one of these is not as great as it would be for killing cattle for example. Would someone who is more knowledgeable than me please either endorse or refute this view.David N. Snyder wrote:Those are good. Some of my tales are similar:
I order a vegetarian meal and get fish (as if fish are not animals, yes not mammals, but still members of the Animal Kingdom).
One waiter asked, "but why??" when I asked what vegetarian options there were.
"So you only eat fish and chicken?"
"What do you even eat??" (as if omnivores only eat meat, no bread, no pasta, no veggies, no beans, etc., etc.)
"I could never be a vegetarian, I am a strict carnivore!" (again, see my comment above, as if omnivores only eat meat and nothing else)
"But you need animal protein, how do you stay healthy?" (and this person recently came back from the doctor with high cholesterol and other ailments)
If we were to use a similar hierarchical system based on intelligence, then it would also follow that a murderer killing a successful family man with a higher IQ creates more negative karma than the same murderer killing a homeless person with lower intelligence. That is not logical because the minds of both are equal although in their ability to express the fullness of that mind are different. That one is born with a higher IQ than the other is a function of their karma, not the value of their mind/consciousness.
The bottom line for being vegetarian in so far as we can, is that it does not create the motivation for the meat industry to ill treat, torture and kill more animals to satisfy our palate.
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I believe it is no longer simply an issue of preventing cruelty to animals. Resources are so scarce that our current habits will destroy us all. I find myself less and less willing to eat anything that we do not grow or cook ourselves, or comes from local ingredients. Mass production = mass extinction.
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Sounds good, but what do you do when you live in Alaska during the winter months? How about Tibet? Antarctica?by knitted » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:00 am
I believe it is no longer simply an issue of preventing cruelty to animals. Resources are so scarce that our current habits will destroy us all. I find myself less and less willing to eat anything that we do not grow or cook ourselves, or comes from local ingredients. Mass production = mass extinction.
Get's tough to grow things yourself.
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Hello there
If we were ment to be vegetarians,
why are animals made out of meat
Be happy
knighter
If we were ment to be vegetarians,
why are animals made out of meat
Be happy
knighter
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Ron-The-Elder wrote:Sounds good, but what do you do when you live in Alaska during the winter months? How about Tibet? Antarctica?by knitted » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:00 am
I believe it is no longer simply an issue of preventing cruelty to animals. Resources are so scarce that our current habits will destroy us all. I find myself less and less willing to eat anything that we do not grow or cook ourselves, or comes from local ingredients. Mass production = mass extinction.
Get's tough to grow things yourself.
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Haven't they got Tescos yet?Ron-The-Elder wrote:Sounds good, but what do you do when you live in Alaska during the winter months? How about Tibet? Antarctica?.
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Hello all,
For the first time in years and years, I heard this song:
Cows with Guns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5s5qGg01nE
Still brought a smile after all this time.
with metta,
Chris
For the first time in years and years, I heard this song:
Cows with Guns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5s5qGg01nE
Still brought a smile after all this time.
with metta,
Chris
---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---