Not-Thinking as a practice

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Re: Not-Thinking as a practice

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Re: Not-Thinking as a practice

Postby Mr Man » Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:28 pm

"experience and reflex" does that equal Vedana and Tanha?

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Re: Not-Thinking as a practice

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Re: Not-Thinking as a practice

Postby Kay Bee » Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:16 pm

I have done that "not thinking" a few times and each was for the whole day. It did clear the mind and as I noticed after I ended it, very little joke was more than enough to make me laugh.
It is a very beautiful thing to do, and I have been trying to do it again lately.

And it was still possible to "know" and do things. It was like when you sit and breathe, you don't need to think to know that you're breathing. The same is when you feel an itch and scratch it. There's no need to think to feel and scratch it.

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Re: Not-Thinking as a practice

Postby Mr Man » Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:40 pm

Thanks Dave, I didn't read you first post properly and picked up on "experience and reflex" from danieLion's post. I have always looked at thought and thinking in terms of ideas formulated into language within the brain, which is rather narrow. I had looked upon sampajanna as being separate from thought and vitakka/vicara more as functions of mind. With my narrow definition of thought I would say that Not-thinking does become a useful object for meditation.

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Re: Not-Thinking as a practice

Postby Alex123 » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:28 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Not-Thinking as a practice

Postby SarathW » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:42 pm

“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Not-Thinking as a practice

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Re: Not-Thinking as a practice

Postby SarathW » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:24 pm

I know this teaching is soy profound. It took me years of reading and practice to get my head around this.
Only suggestion I can make to you is please read and practice (Satipattana) so you will find the answer yourself.
Sorry I can’t give you a direct answer. :)
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Not-Thinking as a practice

Postby Mr Man » Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:08 pm

SarathW, here's somthing from Ajahn Sumedho: "As soon as we think about ourselves, we become a person - somebody - but when we are not thinking, the mind is quite empty and there is no sense of person. There is still consciousness, sensitivity, but it's not seen in terms of being a person, of being a man or a woman; there is just awareness of what is happening - what the feeling is, the mood, the atmosphere that one is experiencing in this moment. We can call this intuitive awareness. It is not programmed and conditioned by thought or memory or perception. " Is he talking about "Nirodha Samapatti" or the "Dhayna infinity of space"?

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Re: Not-Thinking as a practice

Postby SarathW » Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:52 pm

Hi Mr.Man
I think he is talking about radiant consiousness. I may be wrong. I asked a similar questin in attached link.

viewtopic.php?f=18&t=15567
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Re: Not-Thinking as a practice

Postby kirk5a » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:13 am

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Not-Thinking as a practice

Postby pegembara » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:06 am

And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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Re: Not-Thinking as a practice

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Re: Not-Thinking as a practice

Postby SarathW » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:55 am

I think animal or a newly born children do not have self-awareness (ego). They just live day by day. I do not think they can become arahants because their rebirth consciousness is conditioned by attachment, aversion and ignorance. I am glad to see that Ajhan Sumedho seems to think that attaining arhantship is child play. I wish I can think the same! :)
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