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Not-Thinking as a practice

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Not-Thinking as a practice

Postby Alex123 » Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:58 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Not-Thinking as a practice

Postby twelph » Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:29 pm

The quotes you have provided that mention not thinking seem to be describing the mental qualities of an enlightened being. Should you jump directly into mimicking these qualities in your daily life? There seems to be some debate about that. As far as I can see, the Buddha does not expound a practice for this unless you believe that the Abhidharma is canonical. I will be the first to admit that I have a limited and possibly biased view of the Abhidharma, so someone please feel free to correct me.

Edit: Thinking about it a little more, while the Abhidharma seems to have a systematic description of the mental qualities of an enlightened being, I'm not too sure if contains a practice that would allow you to practice daily in this fashion. Samatha creates these conditions, but I'm not so sure about bringing these qualities into your every day life and walking around not labeling your experiences unless you have reached the final goal.

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Re: Not-Thinking as a practice

Postby Alex123 » Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:49 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Not-Thinking as a practice

Postby Alex123 » Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:33 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Not-Thinking as a practice

Postby Dhammanando » Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:52 pm

In MN 1 it is for the sekha alone, i.e. the stream-entrant, once-returner and non-returner, that non-conceiving assumes the form of a prescription. Conceiving (maññati, e.g., "he conceives earth...") is what the worldling does do, what the sekha ought not to do, and what the asekha (arahant) does not do.

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Re: Not-Thinking as a practice

Postby Alex123 » Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:58 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Not-Thinking as a practice

Postby Alex123 » Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:59 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Not-Thinking as a practice

Postby kirk5a » Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:14 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Not-Thinking as a practice

Postby Alex123 » Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:35 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Not-Thinking as a practice

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Re: Not-Thinking as a practice

Postby pegembara » Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:12 am

And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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Re: Not-Thinking as a practice

Postby pegembara » Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:12 am

And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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Re: Not-Thinking as a practice

Postby nibbuti » Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:17 am

@ Alex123

It is best to forget about "non-conceiving" altogether, instead think it of wise-conceiving.

i.e. to wisely regard all conditioned things as ultimately impermanent and unsatisfactory, and all things including Nibbana as not 'I' or 'mine'.

Then conceiving will occur naturally when it is necessary, and non-conceiving will occur when it is adequate.

(Also please note, MN 1 was for sons of Brahmins, who were used to being segregated into 4 classes.)

:anjali:

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Re: Not-Thinking as a practice

Postby SarathW » Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:20 am

Hi Alex
you wrote:
What if a person practices not thinking?

To me it sound like Nither perception nor non perception state. Even in that state you have some thoughts.
You have to come out of that to attain Nirvana. I think Buddha has some thoughts untill he attains Parinibbana.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Not-Thinking as a practice

Postby Mr Man » Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:11 am

Hi Alex123
Noticing Space taken from a talk by Ajahn Sumedho May be of interest (again). Ajahn Sumedho often talked about focusing on the space around thought which I guess you could call taking the non-thinking mind as an object. This is somthing that you can tune into fairly easily once you get the hang of it - a skillfull means.

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Re: Not-Thinking as a practice

Postby SarathW » Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:52 am

Mr Man
I think that you mean the Dhayna infinity of space. In that state you are thinking about the space.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”


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