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Re: anatta and cetana (will, intention): Kamma negated?

Postby robertk » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:20 pm

There are these five rewards in listening to the Dhamma. Which five?

"One hears what one has not heard before. One clarifies what one has
heard before. One gets rid of doubt. One's views are made straight.
One's mind grows serene.

"These are the five rewards in listening to the Dhamma."

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Commentary to samyutta Nikaya (note 313 ) page 809 Bodhi
"for when learning declines the practice declines, and when the practice declines achievement declines. But when learning becomes full, persons rich in learning fill up the practice, and those filling up the practice fill up achievement. Thus when learning etc are increasing my Dispensation increases just like the full moon.

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Re: anatta and cetana (will, intention): Kamma negated?

Postby robertk » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:21 pm

The vimuttayatanam :
XXV. "Five bases of deliverance; here
a. the teacher or a respected fellow disciple teaches a monk Dhamma.
And as he receives the teaching, he gains a grasp of both the spirit
and the letter of the teaching. At this, joy arises in him, and from
this joy, delight; and by this delight his senses are calmed, he
feels happiness as a result, and with this happiness his mind is
established [he attains nibban];
b. he has not heard it thus, but in the course of the teaching
Dhamma to others he has learnt it by heart as he has heard it, or
c. as he is chanting the Dhamma... or
d. ...when he applies his mind to the Dhamma, thinks and ponders
over it and concentrates his attention on it; or
e. When he has properly grasped some concentration sign, has well
considered it, applied his mind to it, and has well penetrated it
with wisdom. At this, joy arises in him; and from this joy, delight,
and by this delight his senses are calmed, he feels happiness as a
result, and with this happiness his mind is established.

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Re: anatta and cetana (will, intention): Kamma negated?

Postby robertk » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:24 pm

When, Bhikkhus, a Noble Disciple listens carefully to the Dhamma,
alert with keen ears,
attending to it as a matter of crucial concern, as something of vital
importance, directing
his entire mind to it, in that very moment the Five Mental Hindrances
are absent in him.
On that occasion the Seven Links to Awakening develop towards
complete fulfilment...>

Source (edited extract):
The Grouped Sayings of the Buddha. Samyutta Nikaya.
Book [V: 95-6] section 46: The Links. 38: Unhindered...

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Re: anatta and cetana (will, intention): Kamma negated?

Postby dhamma follower » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:28 pm


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Re: anatta and cetana and conditions for right view

Postby dhamma follower » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:33 pm

Dear Robert,

Thanks much for the new input!

Brgrds,
Tam

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Re: anatta and cetana and conditions for right view

Postby robertk » Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:10 am

Mike
the dispute is this;
The meditation technique aficionados believe that by focusing on present realities such as feeling, body, taste, sound etc. that this is either satisampajanna or leads to it. I think such focusing is due to a subtle belief that a momentary reality like sati can be made to arise. In other words concentrating or focusing on any object is not a condition for sati.

My contention is that only by studying and considering Dhamma can there be the conditions laid that will sooner or later lead to very brief moments of experiencing realities with satisampajana.
And the path to deeper understanding and more frequent moments of sati is a very long one, lifetimes probably.
Robert

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Re: anatta and cetana and conditions for right view

Postby Alex123 » Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:47 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: anatta and cetana and conditions for right view

Postby robertk » Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:38 pm

That section of the visuddhimagga is explaining samatha not vipassana.

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Re: anatta and cetana and conditions for right view

Postby Alex123 » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:43 am

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: anatta and cetana and conditions for right view

Postby Spiny Norman » Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:49 pm

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Re: anatta and cetana and conditions for right view

Postby robertk » Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:27 am

Try focussing on any part of the body or breath or feelings now. Very easy to do isn't it. Anyone, even a child, can do it.

But it is very different for genuine sati samajana to be present.

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Postby Spiny Norman » Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:52 am

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Re: anatta and cetana and conditions for right view

Postby robertk » Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:00 am

Sati and sampajana arise together.
In the context of satipatthana it always talks about sati-sampajana and sampajana means non- delusion or wisdom, specifically that right ipunderstanding that only a buddha can teach: anatta.

Sati can arise without sampajana but in that case it is not the sati of satipatthana. Moreover - sanna- which may arise with kusala or akusala can arise without sati but if course it still marks hardness, heat, pain etc: thus the common mistake of doing some techique where on focuses on some part of the body thinking that there is sati when it it is merely sanna.

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