I've been doing a lot of introspection recently, and I believe that recent events in my life have precipitated what is commonly called an 'Existential Crisis'.
What I mean by this is that I have become acutely aware of my own mortality, question the meaning and purpose of my very existence, and experience what I can only describe as a 'lonely panic', as though I were insignificant, adrift in a vast and indifferent universe.
I am beginning to feel that perhaps I have been doing my meditation wrong - my awareness seems to be jumbled and out of control, and my dreams vivid and disturbing.
Could someone please advise me on how to get past this?
Existential Crisis
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Hi Tehuti,
It's not uncommon for things to get rough if practice is effective. After all, Buddhist practice is designed to undermine the ego, and the ego can object to that...
Do you have a teacher or a practice group? Such things are much easier to talk through in person.
However, if not, perhaps you could explain a little about your practice and someone might have some comments or suggestions that might make sense in that context.
Mike
It's not uncommon for things to get rough if practice is effective. After all, Buddhist practice is designed to undermine the ego, and the ego can object to that...
Do you have a teacher or a practice group? Such things are much easier to talk through in person.
However, if not, perhaps you could explain a little about your practice and someone might have some comments or suggestions that might make sense in that context.
Mike
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Hi Mike,mikenz66 wrote:Hi Tehuti,
It's not uncommon for things to get rough if practice is effective. After all, Buddhist practice is designed to undermine the ego, and the ego can object to that...
Mike
Thank you for your response!
When questioning the very meaning, substance and apparent futility of existence, the ego is bound to object at some stage.
My ulterior motive was actually to start some discussion on the nature of being and emptiness, to explore how and why existential crises occur, and perhaps gain some insight into how to cross this (apparently) immense gulf.
From what research I have done, it appears that many thoughtful people have passed through this phase, but it is never quite clear what their solution was. The only conclusion I have come to, is that the only meaning and purpose of life is what you assign to it; but that still does not really satisfy!
As for my personal practices, I have been simply focusing on mindfulness meditation, (of the breath), enquiry into the nature of emptiness, and some Raja Yoga meditation techniques (practising concentration on an object or concept).
For the benefit of the readers, I think it would be a really good idea to have some discussion regarding the issue of how we can understand and overcome this kind of situation.
Thank you.
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In my experience, the only way to cope with this kind of thing is to surrender and let go and continue to practice. If you stop practice i think you can get stuck in this kind of thing. Die to yourself, surrender, the only way out is the way in.
All along the path of my practice i have experienced this to some degree or other and the only way i have found to get through it is to surrender and come out the other side. It would be best if you could talk face to face with a teacher about this.
If its any consolation my experience with these kinds of bumps in the road is that you eventually learn to approach them more skillfully and with more equanimity.
All along the path of my practice i have experienced this to some degree or other and the only way i have found to get through it is to surrender and come out the other side. It would be best if you could talk face to face with a teacher about this.
If its any consolation my experience with these kinds of bumps in the road is that you eventually learn to approach them more skillfully and with more equanimity.
“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig
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Some previous discussions may be useful:
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=11898" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7001" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=13117" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=9569" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=12455" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The Classical description as explained by Mahasi Sayadaw:
http://www.aimwell.org/Books/Mahasi/Pro ... gress.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Mike
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=11898" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7001" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=13117" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=9569" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=12455" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The Classical description as explained by Mahasi Sayadaw:
http://www.aimwell.org/Books/Mahasi/Pro ... gress.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Mike
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i think this is good advice. i went through something similar and that really was the best thing for me.mikenz66 wrote: Do you have a teacher or a practice group? Such things are much easier to talk through in person.
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It's always been like this, just your perception of it has changed.
"I am in the middle of an 'Existential Crisis'" is a story, a story with I with a capital I in the middle of it.
If you are practising mindfulness correctly you won't be paying much attention to the story rather you'll be interested in the myriad of thoughts, feelings, and body sensations that are arising and passing away, whether or not they appear to be related to the story.
So place your foundation on that which can be directly experienced and the knowing of it. Not on a conceptual interpretation (story) which may or may not be an accurate description of what's really going on and can easily snowball.
"I am in the middle of an 'Existential Crisis'" is a story, a story with I with a capital I in the middle of it.
If you are practising mindfulness correctly you won't be paying much attention to the story rather you'll be interested in the myriad of thoughts, feelings, and body sensations that are arising and passing away, whether or not they appear to be related to the story.
So place your foundation on that which can be directly experienced and the knowing of it. Not on a conceptual interpretation (story) which may or may not be an accurate description of what's really going on and can easily snowball.
Pronouns (no self / not self)
“Peace is within oneself to be found in the same place as agitation and suffering. It is not found in a forest or on a hilltop, nor is it given by a teacher. Where you experience suffering, you can also find freedom from suffering. Trying to run away from suffering is actually to run toward it.”
― Ajahn Chah
“Peace is within oneself to be found in the same place as agitation and suffering. It is not found in a forest or on a hilltop, nor is it given by a teacher. Where you experience suffering, you can also find freedom from suffering. Trying to run away from suffering is actually to run toward it.”
― Ajahn Chah
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Goofaholix wrote:It's always been like this, just your perception of it has changed.
"I am in the middle of an 'Existential Crisis'" is a story, a story with I with a capital I in the middle of it.
If you are practising mindfulness correctly you won't be paying much attention to the story rather you'll be interested in the myriad of thoughts, feelings, and body sensations that are arising and passing away, whether or not they appear to be related to the story.
So place your foundation on that which can be directly experienced and the knowing of it. Not on a conceptual interpretation (story) which may or may not be an accurate description of what's really going on and can easily snowball.
great advice. could work for anything, even wrong views?
Take care of mindfulness and mindfulness will take care of you.
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Existential crisis of what make you suffer?
Crisis of form?
Crisis of feeling?
Crisis of perception?
Crisis of volitional formations?
Crisis of consciosness?
Crisis of form?
Crisis of feeling?
Crisis of perception?
Crisis of volitional formations?
Crisis of consciosness?
Sabbe dhamma anatta
We are not concurents...
I'am sorry for my english
We are not concurents...
I'am sorry for my english
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Hi, everyone,
Coming at this from a different angle:
"Meaning" is something that words have. Nothing else has it, intrinsically, except perhaps non-verbal communication from other sentient creatures. "Life" is an abstraction - can you touch it? smell it? tell me what colour it is? IMO, trying to paste "meaning" onto "life" is therefore completely senseless and "the meaning of life" is a meaningless phrase (however many people use it!!!)
Similarly, "purpose" is something that only sentient beings have and life is not a sentient being, so "the purpose of life" joins its partner in the junk bin.
The bit in italics:
Your conclusion is fine (you can stick a meaning on life if you like, just as you can stick a Bugs Bunny decal on your golf club). Why doesn't it satisfy you? Perhaps you would like a meaning so compelling that you never have to think for yourself about what to do? I can understand that, actually - it can be very comforting - but it isn't the way things are. And once you have honestly asked certain questions, you can't put the genie back in the bottle by un-asking them.
Kim
Coming at this from a different angle:
The bit in bold:Tehuti wrote: From what research I have done, it appears that many thoughtful people have passed through this phase, but it is never quite clear what their solution was. The only conclusion I have come to, is that the only meaning and purpose of life is what you assign to it; but that still does not really satisfy!
"Meaning" is something that words have. Nothing else has it, intrinsically, except perhaps non-verbal communication from other sentient creatures. "Life" is an abstraction - can you touch it? smell it? tell me what colour it is? IMO, trying to paste "meaning" onto "life" is therefore completely senseless and "the meaning of life" is a meaningless phrase (however many people use it!!!)
Similarly, "purpose" is something that only sentient beings have and life is not a sentient being, so "the purpose of life" joins its partner in the junk bin.
The bit in italics:
Your conclusion is fine (you can stick a meaning on life if you like, just as you can stick a Bugs Bunny decal on your golf club). Why doesn't it satisfy you? Perhaps you would like a meaning so compelling that you never have to think for yourself about what to do? I can understand that, actually - it can be very comforting - but it isn't the way things are. And once you have honestly asked certain questions, you can't put the genie back in the bottle by un-asking them.
Kim
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My advise is to make friends with your breath. Just sit and observe your breath going in and out until you achieve some degree of stillness. Thoughts are not your friends here.
Keep going to your breathing. When you are fully settled, you will realise that things are really OK. It is only wrong thoughts that make them not so.
Keep going to your breathing. When you are fully settled, you will realise that things are really OK. It is only wrong thoughts that make them not so.
And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.
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That's a very interesting angle! In fact, I am surprised I didn't think of it myself during my meditations.Kim O'Hara wrote:Hi, everyone,
Coming at this from a different angle:
The bit in bold:
"Meaning" is something that words have. Nothing else has it, intrinsically, except perhaps non-verbal communication from other sentient creatures.
Not wishing to sound juvenile, but that kind of explains the feeling that sentient beings get when they come to realise that they are essentially insignificant in the vastness of the universe, and the ceaseless march of time.
The sheer fragility of life on this planet is frightening. Sentient life requires very specific and narrow conditions to thrive at all, and any slight deviation in these conditions would cause us to cease to be, as ephemeral as bubbles in a stream.
BTW I am going to start looking to find a teacher/class and try to consolidate my practice into something more regular. I must confess that I meditate when the mood takes me, or when I really need to unwind.
Thank you for the advice. As is always the case with Buddhism, the answer seems to be intuitively obvious, but for some reason we don't often see it.
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Just to complete Kim's (wondefull) post about a meaning of life, in french russian and others langueges, meaning of life use the word "sens of life", and like Kim said it, life have no sens.
Why?
Because the word "sens" can be used only for somethink that have some utility, some aim, but the utility and aim of life - is just to be alive, just be born, and die, this aim will be done naturaly.
So by being alive, and do it fully, with fully consciosness, is actualy the best way of life. Why? Because you are alive every moment, right lifehood.
What is the sens of life the Sun ? Just to be.
Why?
Because the word "sens" can be used only for somethink that have some utility, some aim, but the utility and aim of life - is just to be alive, just be born, and die, this aim will be done naturaly.
So by being alive, and do it fully, with fully consciosness, is actualy the best way of life. Why? Because you are alive every moment, right lifehood.
What is the sens of life the Sun ? Just to be.
Sabbe dhamma anatta
We are not concurents...
I'am sorry for my english
We are not concurents...
I'am sorry for my english
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Well I'm glad you find it useful but you have immediately chased off after the shadow of something that isn't thereTehuti wrote:That's a very interesting angle! In fact, I am surprised I didn't think of it myself during my meditations.Kim O'Hara wrote:Hi, everyone,
Coming at this from a different angle:
The bit in bold:
"Meaning" is something that words have. Nothing else has it, intrinsically, except perhaps non-verbal communication from other sentient creatures.
Not wishing to sound juvenile, but that kind of explains the feeling that sentient beings get when they come to realise that they are essentially insignificant in the vastness of the universe, and the ceaseless march of time.
...
I said, "the phrase 'the meaning of life' is meaningless" and there you go again, saying that 'the fact that life is meaningless explains ...'
It's not the same thing at all. Look at verbal patterns:
1. The colour of my dog
2. The colour of truth
3. The smell of roses
4. The smell of blackness
5. The number of stars
6. The number of brown
Theses groups of words all look and function pretty much the same way but the even-numbered ones have no meaning - they don't fit or describe anything which exists in the world, or even could exist in the world. Here's another pair:
7. The meaning of my statement
8. The meaning of life
Now do you see?
Kim
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Thanks, DawnDAWN wrote:Just to complete Kim's (wondefull) post about a meaning of life, in french russian and others langueges, meaning of life use the word "sens of life", and like Kim said it, life have no sens.
Why?
Because the word "sens" can be used only for somethink that have some utility, some aim, but the utility and aim of life - is just to be alive, just be born, and die, this aim will be done naturaly.
So by being alive, and do it fully, with fully consciosness, is actualy the best way of life. Why? Because you are alive every moment, right lifehood.
What is the sens of life the Sun ? Just to be.
"Sens", then, is used much like we would use "purpose". As you say, the sens of life of the sun is just to be. The natural sens (purpose) of life-as-a-whole is just to be or to continue.
Kim