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Wrong livelihood for Bhikkhus

Discussion of ordination, the Vinaya and monastic life. How and where to ordain? Bhikkhuni ordination etc.
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Wrong livelihood for Bhikkhus

Postby Hanzze » Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:57 am

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Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Wrong livelihood for Bhikkhus

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Thu Sep 27, 2012 3:32 am

What on earth does "fondling children" refer to?
Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: Wrong livelihood for Bhikkhus

Postby Hanzze » Thu Sep 27, 2012 3:40 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Wrong livelihood for Bhikkhus

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:11 am

• • • • (Upasampadā: 24th June, 1979)

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Re: Wrong livelihood for Bhikkhus

Postby Hanzze » Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:21 am

Thanks for the good expalining Ven. Pesala,

I just like to add something in regard of touching boys. In SEAsia it is normal that male (also femal) friend touch each other and even walk hand in hand. That is something that causes much disgust for "western" minded people. So be sure that you do not discrimitante Monks who are touching boys or males in a way a western wound think is might be gay. On a level of more understanding of Dhamma it is in anyway wrong and just a worldly way to socialise (develope affection). Just that there is not a general believe that if monks in SEAsia touch each other or even boys is bad minded and with sexual hidden agenda. To be watchful is in all cases good, also to overcome such aversions of being touched by wordly monks.
They are always shocked if you explain them how western would feel seeing such things and it sometimes helps to let go of such things totally.
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Re: Wrong livelihood for Bhikkhus

Postby DAWN » Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:57 am

Thanks you Hanzzee :namaste:
Sabbe dhamma anatta
We are not concurents...

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Re: Wrong livelihood for Bhikkhus

Postby Raksha » Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:49 pm

'Whosoever, O Bhikkhus, would wait upon me, he should wait upon the sick.' (Mahavagga VIII 26.1-6)

Many monks are masters of traditional medicine, should they just stand by and let the poor people suffer, or should they give them free advice and medicines so that their pain is dispelled?
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Re: Wrong livelihood for Bhikkhus

Postby Hanzze » Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:04 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Wrong livelihood for Bhikkhus

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Re: Wrong livelihood for Bhikkhus

Postby Hanzze » Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:57 am

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Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Wrong livelihood for Bhikkhus

Postby Dan74 » Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:02 am

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Re: Wrong livelihood for Bhikkhus

Postby Hanzze » Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:03 am

Believe me, its always worthy to find out. But therefore one needs to understand one self really good first. Back to the palce to work in order to help other is a good way, the only maybe.

I guess that even this picture is very often confused with the santa clause ideal
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Re: Wrong livelihood for Bhikkhus

Postby Raksha » Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:17 am

The Samanatapasadika commentary (5thc.CE) makes a clear distinction between those who dispense medicines out of love, and those who do so for material gain. According to the text if a monk is genuinely skilled in traditional medicine, and if the sick person has no such skill then the monk should prepare the medicines for them. Aside from Sangha, kinsmen, and temple workers a monk is allowed to treat five others, '...a stranger, a robber, a nobleman defeated in battle, a poor man and a villager abandoned by his family, who comes to the monastery after falling ill.'
In Sri Lanka this tradition survives quite happily, without 'destroying the Buddha Sasana with worldly desires'.

http://www.island.lk/2006/09/16/satmag3.html

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Re: Wrong livelihood for Bhikkhus

Postby Hanzze » Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:26 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Wrong livelihood for Bhikkhus

Postby Raksha » Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:53 am

:offtopic: In respect of your last post Hanzze, about declining traditions, would you please post a topic about Khmer Buddhism sometime, as I would be fascinated to read about this often overlooked tradition, which is of course the grandparent of SE Asian Buddhism. :focus:

Thankyou, I know of these five qualifications. I actually don't think that we are at all in disagreement :smile: I understand the reasons for your post and I concur with all the rules and cautions that you have listed...except one. For my part, I can never accept that traditional medicine is a 'beastly science'.
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Re: Wrong livelihood for Bhikkhus

Postby Hanzze » Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:00 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Wrong livelihood for Bhikkhus

Postby Hanzze » Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:52 am

Many in regrad of Wrong Livelihood is found in the "The Analysis of Virtue" of the
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Re: Wrong livelihood for Bhikkhus

Postby Raksha » Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:51 pm

Dear Hanzze, Thankyou for editing your post to make it rather less blunt and unfriendly. I couldn't help noticing that all the topics you dismiss as mere 'folk Buddhism' correspond exactly to my posts :cry: . If I have written anything that offends you please accept my apology. It is true my interests are not exactly the same as yours, but that is not to say that they are worthless.
A scholarly monk once wrote that Buddhism is like pure water, such that when it is placed in different glasses it takes on different colours and shapes. I must admit that I find these multi-coloured forms of Buddhism in different times and cultures absolutely fascinating :geek: . Whereas your view seems to be that anything outside 'ordination, vinaya and as taught by the Buddha' is merely the preserve of politics, nationalism and 'social work' and has no place on this forum.
Which is to say that your opinion is a different colour to mine, which is absolutely fascinating ;)
As my (allegedly adult) offspring are fond of telling me 'you need to chill out, dude.' :sage:

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Re: Wrong livelihood for Bhikkhus

Postby Hanzze » Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:30 pm

What kind of livelihood did the scholar monk have?
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