Pali Term: Sati

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Re: Pali Term: Sati

Postby badscooter » Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:06 pm

"whatever one frequently thinks and ponders upon will be the inclination of one's mind"

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Re: Pali Term: Sati

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"whatever one frequently thinks and ponders upon will be the inclination of one's mind"

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Re: Pali Term: Sati

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"whatever one frequently thinks and ponders upon will be the inclination of one's mind"

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Re: Pali Term: Sati

Postby badscooter » Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:10 pm

I believe the "bare" in bare awareness or bare attention is attributed to such suttas:

from access to insight:

Bāhiya Sutta:
"Bāhiya, you should train yourself thus: in the seen will be merely what is seen; in the heard will be merely what is heard; in the sensed [2] will be merely what is sensed; in the cognized will be merely what is cognized. Practising in this way, Bāhiya, you will not be 'because of that'. When you are not 'because of that' you will not be 'in that'. And when you are not 'in that' then you will be neither here not beyond nor in between the two. Just this is the end of suffering."

To say "will be merely" means unadorned or not decorated; without extras; nothing added or taken; nothing hidden..etc

If we look at the english word BARE :
1.
without covering or clothing; naked; nude: i.e. bare legs.
2.
without the usual furnishings, contents, etc.: i.e bare walls.
3.
open to view; unconcealed; undisguised: i.e. his bare dislike of neckties.
4.
unadorned; bald; plain: i.e. the bare facts.
5.
(of cloth) napless or threadbare.

One can see the similarities. I believe linking mindfulness with suttas like this one might bring one to an understanding of where 'bare awareness' might have been coined.

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Re: Pali Term: Sati

Postby Hanzze » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:20 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Pali Term: Sati

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"whatever one frequently thinks and ponders upon will be the inclination of one's mind"

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Re: Pali Term: Sati

Postby Dmytro » Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:39 am

Hi Billymac,

On this forum, and particularly in the Pali terms threads, I appreciate clear arguments with precise Pali glosses and references from people who know at least some Pali.

If you don't believe that the Tipitaka contains the actual words used by the Buddha, then we don't have a basis for meaningful discussion, and I would ask you not to post in this thread.

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Re: Pali Term: Sati

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"whatever one frequently thinks and ponders upon will be the inclination of one's mind"

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Re: Pali Term: Sati

Postby Dmytro » Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:36 am

Collet Cox brings attention to the refrain from the Kayagatasati sutta:

Tassa evaṃ appamattassa ātāpino pahitattassa viharato ye gehasitā sarasaṅkappā te pahīyanti. Tesaṃ pahānā ajjhattameva cittaṃ santiṭṭhati, sannisīdati, ekodi hoti, samādhiyati. Evampi bhikkhave, bhikkhu kāyagataṃ satiṃ bhāveti.

And as he remains thus heedful, ardent, & resolute, any memories & resolves related to the household life are abandoned, and with their abandoning his mind gathers & settles inwardly, grows unified & centered. This is how a monk develops mindfulness immersed in the body.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

and to the similar passage from Dantabhumi sutta:

So ime pañca nīvaraṇe pahāya cetaso upakkilese paññāya dubbalikaraṇe kāye kāyānupassī viharati ātāpī sampajāno satimā vineyya loke abhijjhādomanassaṃ. Vedanāsu vedanānupassī viharati ātāpī sampajāno satimā vineyya loke abhijjhādomanassaṃ. Citte cittānupassī viharati ātāpī sampajāno satimā vineyya loke abhijjhādomanassaṃ. Dhammesu dhammānupassī viharati ātāpī sampajāno satimā vineyya loke abhijjhādomanassaṃ. Seyyathāpi aggivessana, hatthidamako mahantaṃ thambhaṃ paṭhaviyaṃ nikhaṇitvā āraññakassa nāgassa gīvāyaṃ upanibandhati. Āraññakānañceva sīlānaṃ abhinimmadanāya, āraññakānañceva sarasaṅkappānaṃ abhinimmadanāya, āraññakānañceva darathakilamathapariḷāhānaṃ abhinimmadanāya, gāmante abhiramāpanāya, manussakantesu sīlesu sampādanāya1 evameva kho aggivessana, ariyasāvakassa ime cattāro satipaṭṭhānā cetaso upanibandhanā honti. Gehasitānañceva sīlānaṃ abhinimmadanāya, gehasitānañceva sarasaṅkappānaṃ abhinimmadanāya, gehasitānañceva darathakilamathapariḷāhānaṃ abhinimmadanāya, ñāyassa adhigamāya nibbānassa sacchikiriyāya.

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Re: Pali Term: Sati

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Re: Pali Term: Sati

Postby Dmytro » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:02 pm

Another good example of remembrance:

150. Mettaṃ ca sabbalokasmiṃ mānasaṃ bhāvaye aparimānaṃ
Uddhaṃ adho ca tiriyañca asambādhaṃ averaṃ asapattaṃ

151. Tiṭṭhaṃ caraṃ nisinno vā sayāno vā yāvatassa vigatamiddho
Etaṃ satiṃ adhiṭṭheyya brahmametaṃ vihāraṃ idhamāhu

With good will for the entire cosmos,
cultivate a limitless heart:
Above, below, & all around,
unobstructed, without enmity or hate.
Whether standing, walking,
sitting, or lying down,
as long as one is alert,
one should be resolved on this mindfulness.

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Re: Pali Term: Sati

Postby mirco » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:07 pm

"An important term for meditative absorption is samadhi. We often translate that as concentration, but that can suggest a certain stiffness. Perhaps unification is a better rendition, as samadhi means to bring together. Deep samadhi isn't at all stiff. It's a process of letting go of other things and coming to a unified experience." -

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Re: Pali Term: Sati

Postby Sekha » Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:41 am

I have already debunked this argument: it is not because you can replace mindfulness by remembrance everywhere that the latter gives the correct meaning.

In every sentence where the word car occurs, you can replace it by 'vehicle', but that does not mean that the latter gives the correct meaning.

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