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I'm becoming more and more godless with age

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I'm becoming more and more godless with age

Postby manas » Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:15 am

Hi all

When we being life as a young infant, we come in with no conscious conceptions about reality, thus 'god' does not apply at this age. Gradually, some of us are 'educated' regarding whatever our prevailing culture regards as the 'summum bonum' or great Spirit (or vengeful sky-god, etc).

As a young adult, I tried to use certain mainstream Paths to attain this 'force' or 'spirit' I had seemed to touch upon in my youth, with mixed and inconsistent results.

But now? I'm becoming a godless old wretch. I don't believe in much at all anymore...(still holding out that rebirth according to kamma might be true, though, just in case...you never know).

Any other godless folks out there? I mean, really-and-truly godless, blinded as if on the road to Damascus, except that the light spoke to one and said, "guess what? THERE IS NO GOD!"

with much metta,

a godless old wretch.

*An editorial postscript: re-reading this post of mine from a few weeks back, I realize there is a tone of bitterness in it. I've kind of 'moved on' from that mood of subtle disappointment. Now, I don't know what to say about the issue of god, or what god is even supposed to be. I think if asked now, the best answer might just be silence.
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Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: I'm becoming more and more godless with age

Postby Hanzze » Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:24 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: I'm becoming more and more godless with age

Postby manas » Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:48 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: I'm becoming more and more godless with age

Postby Hanzze » Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:52 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: I'm becoming more and more godless with age

Postby Modus.Ponens » Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:15 pm

He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: I'm becoming more and more godless with age

Postby Hanzze » Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:28 pm

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: I'm becoming more and more godless with age

Postby SDC » Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:52 pm

Since ultimately many of us are seeking to develop ourselves to the highest levels of wisdom, goodness, knowledge, etc., it is no wonder that we are no longer intrigued, or able to make sense of an all powerful god that has created the world and maintains an influence over how it functions. IMVHO a being with those attributes is inferior to one that is awakened. Such a being is bound to the world for all time. I would actually feel pity for such an existence.

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Re: I'm becoming more and more godless with age

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Re: I'm becoming more and more godless with age

Postby m0rl0ck » Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:02 pm

Im an anti-theist godless old curmudgeon myslef :) Monotheism especially usually manifests in a brutal ugly and judgmental way and i cant think of any other single philosophical error that has resulted in more human misery. It actually looks sometimes like the monotheists are going to get their apocalypse and take the rest of us with them. Finding a cure for the mania known as monotheism seems an urgent priority to me, but what can you do with them? Beat them with an IQ stick?
“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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Re: I'm becoming more and more godless with age

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Re: I'm becoming more and more godless with age

Postby daverupa » Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:07 pm

An on this question.

is a pie chart reflecting some general themes with respect to numbers of adherents.

I was born agnostic and raised agnostic, so it's an easy choice. I don't spend any time worrying about whether Zeus is concerned with my moral behaviors, and that goes for 'em all. I don't bother with asserting "no god(s)", but it's probably true.

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Re: I'm becoming more and more godless with age

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Re: I'm becoming more and more godless with age

Postby manas » Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:57 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: I'm becoming more and more godless with age

Postby Reductor » Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:29 am

My wife maintains some ties to a fundamentalist church she once attended. When asked by one member last year about my belief, I replied that the presence or absence of god no longer meant much to me.

Does that mean I'm godless?

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Re: I'm becoming more and more godless with age

Postby Reductor » Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:35 am

In connection to IQ and theisism, I'd say that smarts play little in what way someone believes.

It all has to do with cravings. Some crave security over all, while others desire 'truth' in whatever mode it's available. And nowadays, that mode is usually the scientific method.

Even some stupid people reject god and embrace empiricism; and some smart people I know, and have known, embrace full-blown theism and church going (people smarter then me, I'd hazard to say).
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Re: I'm becoming more and more godless with age

Postby Ben » Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:35 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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Re: I'm becoming more and more godless with age

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Re: I'm becoming more and more godless with age

Postby Hanzze » Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:56 am

Today there are even more Sotapanna's or people of the first person are found in other religious environment. That's for sure and it is always better to assisoate with the wise rather with very outwardly indentification.
Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: I'm becoming more and more godless with age

Postby m0rl0ck » Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:07 pm

“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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Re: I'm becoming more and more godless with age

Postby DAWN » Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:50 pm

I think that for believers, God is some kind of ideal of behavour.
If we takes the qualities of God, we see taht God is :
- Wise (Non attachement)
- Limitless (Infinity)
- The One (Unity)

If we take a emptyness of dhammas :
- 0 is wise against +1 or -1. Wisdom is when you conemplein good or bad how it is, and so there is no affection of craving for good or bad, you take a positon of 0. = Wise quality
- 0 can't be multiplied. = Infinity quality
- 0 can't be devided. = Oneness quality

It's all the same qualityes.

BUT !
The God and Zero is two extremes. The Buddha teach The Dhamma by the middle.
Thee is nothing so everything is eternal.
If somebody would like to understand what it means, i can explain.
Sabbe dhamma anatta
We are not concurents...


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