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Buddha Dharma and Food - consider food as path to liberation

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Buddha Dharma and Food - consider food as path to liberation

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Re: Buddha Dharma and Food - consider food as path to liberation

Postby Cittasanto » Fri May 25, 2012 5:51 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Buddha Dharma and Food - consider food as path to liberation

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Re: Buddha Dharma and Food - consider food as path to liberation

Postby Cittasanto » Fri May 25, 2012 6:52 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Buddha Dharma and Food - consider food as path to liberation

Postby hanzze_ » Fri May 25, 2012 7:13 am

Yes, its very important to consider about ones own intention why one legitimates viewpoints and that is the whole message here as well as the actually way to release.

We are not used to consider about our intentions, but we are used to excuse our ways. Therefor the Buddha was that compassionate to give no unreal ways to relax before uprooting the real cause. See it just as a reminder, no need nail it down, it wouldn't be possible.
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Re: Buddha Dharma and Food - consider food as path to liberation

Postby Cittasanto » Fri May 25, 2012 7:18 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Buddha Dharma and Food - consider food as path to liberation

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Re: Buddha Dharma and Food - consider food as path to liberation

Postby jason c » Fri May 25, 2012 10:44 am

it is my personal opinion that the teachings of the buddha although incredibly relevant in todays world are dated, they are 2500 yrs old. if the buddha was living in todays world he would have taught with todays tecnologies. we cannot forget evolution, humans are not living the same way we did 2500 yrs ago. we have discovered oil and have the benefit of all its wonderful technologies, our teaching must learn to evolve and become more current. an arahant must live as a beggar, but as laymen we must find a sustainable way of living in harmony with nature and all these technologies. simply to say im vegetarian im following the precepts is an ignorant way of thinking. we are stealing from animals today and we need to accept this as fact. an arahant cannot spend money but as laymen everytime we go shopping we support companies and their ethical views or lack there of. change your own behaviors and come to peace within. with metta jason

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Re: Buddha Dharma and Food - consider food as path to liberation

Postby hanzze_ » Fri May 25, 2012 12:57 pm

Jason,

There is no technology which is not harmful or does not require harm. Actually the world has never seen such a fast running wheel of death for countless beings like before.
Buddha was quite aware, that only less would understand his teachings and he did not carry the believe that he would be able to change samsara. The teachings of the Buddha lead to release and not to relax on hatred, delusion and greed. Craving is the root of suffering and he showed us to understand it's cause. We can try to live harmless as long as we want, but in that way we will just increase the greed, it's stilling-industry and wonder why something hit us one day (even we might thought that we are at peace).

We don't need to accept anything, the door is always open and still well preached. It would be very wrong, as you said "change your own behaviors", if we make time and society responsible for our own intentions and deeds.

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Re: Buddha Dharma and Food - consider food as path to liberation

Postby jason c » Fri May 25, 2012 2:33 pm

hi hanzze ,
inside each of us is our own personal samsara when we act selfishly we recieve unpleasant sensations, when we act selflessly we recieve pleasant sensations. we can look at the outside world and see suffering but all we can do is change ourselves. if others see us so peaceful, so happy, they may copy our behaviors. this is how we spread the truth.
kindest regards, jason

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Re: Buddha Dharma and Food - consider food as path to liberation

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Re: Buddha Dharma and Food - consider food as path to liberation

Postby Cittasanto » Fri May 25, 2012 7:38 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Buddha Dharma and Food - consider food as path to liberation

Postby hanzze_ » Sat May 26, 2012 1:29 am

Doubt is good as long we like to overcome it. I still don't know the real problem. Maybe you like to explain it more. Maybe you got any impression, which actually is not quoted.
This text is not from a monastery, it was just a visitors question and a answer in relation to the eightfold path, which is a path working with intentions. Of cause it's not easy food, but its very nourishing. Do not take it if you are in hurry.

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Re: Buddha Dharma and Food - consider food as path to liberation

Postby Cittasanto » Sat May 26, 2012 12:28 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Buddha Dharma and Food - consider food as path to liberation

Postby hanzze_ » Sat May 26, 2012 12:42 pm

Dear Cittasanto,

I really lost any idea of what you are saying or better what you are thinking. Maybe you like to focus on where you see a misinterpretation. I would not continue to lie if I did.

Once again, this text has nothing to do with a monastery. This are just my own words (except the question of somebody at the beginning). That is a very recommended monastery and you would wonder how many members here are supporters members of this community.

Do not bring my "lies" even up to the level to hurt your friends without knowing.

Please try to find back to the real problem you see within the text. If I would not be interested I would not have posted it.

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Re: Buddha Dharma and Food - consider food as path to liberation

Postby Cittasanto » Sat May 26, 2012 1:03 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Buddha Dharma and Food - consider food as path to liberation

Postby hanzze_ » Sat May 26, 2012 1:17 pm

Good, so we can let go of it. It's pretty possible I misunderstood you.

Is there any doubt in regard with the text left?


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