"The Deathless" (amata)

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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As I understand it, and what some bhikkhus say, amata does NOT mean some positive existing state that is implied by "the Deathless".

All it means is that when Parinibbāna occurs, there is no more birth. Without birth, there is no aging and no death. So it is deathless in this sense.
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Postby Bagoba » Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:48 pm

Hello everyone,

I'm new here, just reading through this post where some are saying that Nibbana is no-thing.

Just wondering what you guys make of the following definition of Nibbana:


"He therefore taught that there are four things that make up this universe.
Consciousness, which is the faculty of cognizing.
Material and physical properties, which can be known by consciousness.
Mental properties, desserving to be known by consciousness.
nibbāna, parinibbāna."

Does that contradict anything that's been said here?

Thanks y'all! :)
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Postby Bagoba » Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:39 pm

Many thanks Mike. :anjali:

I wonder sometimes, what if we actually only live once, what if when we die, we really die, we cease to exist completely, without any residual consciousness, kammic wind or possibilities to get reborn in any new form. In other words, "show's over, curtain's closed, lights out". Can Nibbana be compared to that, in the context of continuous rebirths?

Apart from the excellent moral and ethical values associated with following the Buddha's teachings, would it make sense to follow the Buddha's path if the above was actually true?

I don't mean to bother anyone here, the answer to this question is important for my personal spiritual quest.

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Postby cooran » Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:33 pm

Hello Bagoba,

This is the Annihilationist View and was strongly refuted by the Buddha.

Here is a previous thread on the topic:

Ucchedavada (annihilationism) - what does it actually mean?
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=157


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