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Re: Saṅkhāradukkhatā - Suffering due to Volitional Formations

Postby chownah » Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:29 am

I think of the suffering due to volition this way:
I love children...I really do....it is very easy for me to lose all sense of propriety if I see a baby and will immediately start saying goo goo smile gaa gaa...etc. If I see a small toddler walking around exploring the world I have a strong urge to show them a flower or a worm so that I can share in their delight....I love children...........but when I'm wanting to meditate....and the children come to me to play...then they are a nuisance....they are a beautiful nuisance...a wonderful nuisance....but they induce the stress of distracing me from the deeper wonder of meditation.
Volitions are like children...they can be very nice but ultimately they distract one from what is even nicer still and so they are suffering....
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Re: Saṅkhāradukkhatā - Suffering due to Volitional Formations

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:32 am

Greetings,

For what it's worth, I don't think the three categories denoted are necessarily mutually exclusive, especially when you consider that the Buddha advised in SN 55.3 to "Remain focused on inconstancy in all fabrications, percipient of stress in what is inconstant..."

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Re: Saṅkhāradukkhatā - Suffering due to Volitional Formations

Postby santa100 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:03 pm

According to the definition of sankhara from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sa%E1%B9%85kh%C4%81ra :

"saṅkhāra-khandha is understood to be that which propels human (and other sentient) beings along the process of becoming (bhava) by means of actions of body and speech (kamma).[9] The Buddha stated that all volitional constructs are conditioned by ignorance (avijja) of the reality (sacca) behind appearance.[10] It is this ignorance that ultimately causes human suffering (dukkha). The calming of all such fabrications (sabba-saṅkhāra-nirodha) is synonymous with Enlightenment (bodhi), the achieving of arahantship."

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Postby chownah » Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:03 am

What is the Nettippakaraṇa?
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Re: Saṅkhāradukkhatā - Suffering due to Volitional Formations

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An obscure text

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Postby Paññāsikhara » Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:12 am

First, a question:

The term "saṅkhāradukkhatā" is a compound. There are many ways to interpret compounds, and interpret one must for it to make any sense in English.
The use of the words "due to" indicates one sort of compound interpretation, but it is obviously not the only one.
For example, "suffering which is volitional formation(s)", or "suffering of volitional formations", etc. are possible others.

It may help to first get this in order before asking the question, lest the question itself be incorrect, or at least turning the meaning of the original phrase elsewhere.

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Re: Saṅkhāradukkhatā - Suffering due to Volitional Formations

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Re: Saṅkhāradukkhatā - Suffering due to Volitional Formations

Postby Ben » Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:00 am

Chownah,

This: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nettipakarana
may be of interest to you.
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Re: Saṅkhāradukkhatā - Suffering due to Volitional Formations

Postby chownah » Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:17 pm

Nana and Ben,
Thanks for the links.
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Re: Saṅkhāradukkhatā - Suffering due to Volitional Formations

Postby rowyourboat » Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:01 pm

To know sankharadukkhata, vipassana is required. The other two are much more gross. Without knowing sankharadukkhata to it's utmost degree, no 'escape from the field of perception' is possible.

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