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Taking refuge in Buddha??????

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Taking refuge in Buddha??????

Postby DarwidHalim » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:46 pm

Dear Members,

I am just curious. In daily life, we start our day by saying
We are taking refuge in The Buddha,
We are taking refuge in The Dhamma,
We are taking refuge in The Sangha.

Some of us have a thinking that Buddha = Arahant

For those people who supportthis view, do you say this
We are taking refuge in The Arahant,
We are taking refuge in The Dhamma,
We are taking refuge in The Sangha

If no why? Since some of you have the understanding that Arahant = Buddha.
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Taking refuge in Buddha??????

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:33 pm

One does not "take" refuge; one goes for refuge.

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Re: Taking refuge in Buddha??????

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Re: Taking refuge in Buddha??????

Postby DarwidHalim » Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:24 am

Last edited by DarwidHalim on Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:35 am, edited 1 time in total.
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Taking refuge in Buddha??????

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:30 am

Greetings Darwid,

What do these epithets in the aforementioned sutta mean to you then... "the Tathagata, the Arahant, the Perfectly Enlightened One"

:?:

What about "namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa" (Honour to the Blessed One, the Arahant, the fully Enlightened One.)?

If it disturbs you that the Buddha is an Arahant, perhaps you might find more alignment with your views at...

Dharma Wheel (Mahayana / Vajrayana forum)
http://www.dharmawheel.net/

Metta,
Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Taking refuge in Buddha??????

Postby DarwidHalim » Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:24 am

Last edited by DarwidHalim on Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:30 am, edited 1 time in total.
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Taking refuge in Buddha??????

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Re: Taking refuge in Buddha??????

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Re: Taking refuge in Buddha??????

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Re: Taking refuge in Buddha??????

Postby DarwidHalim » Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:39 am

I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Taking refuge in Buddha??????

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Re: Taking refuge in Buddha??????

Postby DarwidHalim » Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:48 am

I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Taking refuge in Buddha??????

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Re: Taking refuge in Buddha??????

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Re: Taking refuge in Buddha??????

Postby DarwidHalim » Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:08 am

I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Taking refuge in Buddha??????

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Re: Taking refuge in Buddha??????

Postby DarwidHalim » Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:18 am

NOT ALL THERAVADIST have a narrow mindset, who doesn't like to be challenge or ask contradiction thing.

Things become ugly and becomes so personal, without bringing any benefits.

In Buddhism, it is full of contradiction. EVEN INSIDE THERAVADA inside.

See this BIG news.
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/312 ... ch-status/

There is a lot of Theravadins who have open minded.

Your quality is tested and reflected through your personal attack.

It is through contradiction we are mature and skillful. That is my view, btw :)
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Taking refuge in Buddha??????

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Re: Taking refuge in Buddha??????

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:24 am

Back to the topic, please.

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