little lies, big lies

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Re: little lies, big lies

Postby alan » Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:52 am

I still don't get that quote. It seems to be all over the place. what is the underlying philosophy here?
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Re: little lies, big lies

Postby kirk5a » Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:01 am

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: little lies, big lies

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Re: little lies, big lies

Postby Kim OHara » Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:38 am

Hi, kirk5a,
I'm with Tilt on this - perhaps because I also have read the book and can put the quote in context. Your approach seems to be too literal ... one might ask where a single molecule of Fantasy or Fable is to be found when a text is ground down to its tiniest components :smile:
In fact, Death is suggesting that abstractions like Justice and Compassion are real (and have real effects in the real world) but only become real through us - people - and that a reductionist (literalist) approach will not only fail to find them but will (therefore) deny their very existence; further, that if the reductionist approach dominates a culture, those abstractions will cease to exist, and that would be a disaster.
It's rather a lot of heavy philosophy to fit into a brief conversation in a fantasy novel but, as I said, Pratchett is a clever bloke.

:namaste:
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Re: little lies, big lies

Postby m0rl0ck » Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:07 pm

“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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Re: little lies, big lies

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: little lies, big lies

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Re: little lies, big lies

Postby alan » Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:39 am

I'm going to argue that justice and compassion are not abstractions, but are necessary attributes without which we could never have evolved.

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Re: little lies, big lies

Postby alan » Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:56 am

It is a kind of perverse anti-philosophy that states that ideas are our creations and therefore they have no merit. This is a Nihilist perspective, which the Buddha refuted.

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Re: little lies, big lies

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Re: little lies, big lies

Postby alan » Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:45 am

I don't think it is a question of "where".

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Re: little lies, big lies

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Re: little lies, big lies

Postby alan » Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:56 am

Oh, tilt. I'm sure you are aware that we are the product of the evolution of our brains.

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Re: little lies, big lies

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Re: little lies, big lies

Postby alan » Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:06 am

We would never have survived the evolutionary process without inborn senses of compassion and "justice".

As for your quote: I don't get it. What is the meaning behind it? Is it supposed to be profound?

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Re: little lies, big lies

Postby alan » Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:28 am

Would you care to offer an alternate view?


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