"Rise and Fall" How to practice it?

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"The gift of truth exceeds all other gifts" — Dhammapada, v. 354 Craving XXIV

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"The gift of truth exceeds all other gifts" — Dhammapada, v. 354 Craving XXIV

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Hi Beeblebrox,

It does seem we do agree on quite a few things.
Your initial confusion could have been cleared up by asking me how I used certain words like "abandoning".
I dont know why you thought I was being obtuse by clarifying what right concentration is or talking about "noting" or vipassana jhanas after others had brought them into the equation.
However, you are right - how we define words can have a huge effect on what we think we are reading. The only way to get round this is by a mutual respect for others views(or at least until we get our heads round what they are :smile: ).

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Re: "Rise and Fall" How to practice it?

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Hi Tilt,

No I haven't read it in full.

The commentaries & some teachers today, portray jhana as suppression - this is not correct - it is abandoning (I admit it is not eradication - merely a means to approaching eradication). The Buddha never talked about jhana as a means to suppress. The austerities that the Buddha undertook seem to come closer to the idea of suppression, whilst his life before leaving home was a form of sensual indulgence. The jhanas are the middle way.

Since this is a sutta meditation forum, could you please supply sutta references to support the "noting" method?

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