"Enlightened in regard to all things"

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"Enlightened in regard to all things"

Postby Sherab » Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:59 pm

Came across this verse:
23. "Here, I see no ground on which any recluse or brahman or god or Mara or Brahma or anyone at all in the world could, in accordance with the Dhamma, accuse me thus: 'While you claim full enlightenment, you are not fully enlightened in regard to certain things.' [72] And seeing no ground for that, I abide in safety, fearlessness and intrepidity.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .ntbb.html

Since the Buddha was refuting the accusation that he was not fully enlightened in regard to certain things, it would seemed that he was indirectly claiming that he was enlightened in regard to all things.

If so what then is the meaning of "enlightened in regard to all things". If not, how should the verse be interpreted?

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Re: "Enlightened in regard to all things"

Postby acinteyyo » Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:04 pm

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: "Enlightened in regard to all things"

Postby Sherab » Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:53 pm

Would you agree that "the All" refers to all things/phenomena that can be sensed and therefore exclude whatever that is not within the realm of senses?
If yes, do you confine "the All" to the present or do you include "the All" that has passed and "the All" that is to come?

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Re: "Enlightened in regard to all things"

Postby alan » Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:13 am

Not an appropriate question... accinteyo's response contains all the references you need.

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Re: "Enlightened in regard to all things"

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Re: "Enlightened in regard to all things"

Postby rowyourboat » Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:37 am

Anything you can't sense, you can't know for sure, exists. Then any assertion made about 'their' existence is pure speculation. I could come up with my own version of reality and so could everyone, based entirely on imagination. When they have been around for a while they start gaining some credibility and people start accepting them without questioning, making them 'real' in their own minds.

While things may exist that we can't sense, there existence is unknowable (in an ultimate sense -I do not mean this in a scientific sense). However to make assumptions on what we cannot know is that path to ridicule, nonsense and madness.

So what can be known is the stimuli from the six senses. The Buddha knew everything there was to know about them. Hope that is clear.

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Re: "Enlightened in regard to all things"

Postby acinteyyo » Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:52 pm

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: "Enlightened in regard to all things"

Postby kirk5a » Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:32 pm

With regard to things
Command-A
selects "All"
to delete
or not to delete
is that the question?

(just a little mac humor)
"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: "Enlightened in regard to all things"

Postby rowyourboat » Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:07 pm

With Metta

Karuna
Mudita
& Upekkha

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Re: "Enlightened in regard to all things"

Postby acinteyyo » Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:17 pm

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: "Enlightened in regard to all things"

Postby acinteyyo » Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:30 pm

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: "Enlightened in regard to all things"

Postby kirk5a » Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:54 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: "Enlightened in regard to all things"

Postby Kenshou » Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:27 pm

"Consciousness without surface" is a tricky issue with a lot of interpretations. It would probably be good to look into a variety of them rather than just Thanissaro's. I'm just saying, it's one of those things.

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Re: "Enlightened in regard to all things"

Postby acinteyyo » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:03 pm

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.


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