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Ven. Vimalaramsi on the Abhidhamma & the Visuddhi Magga

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:46 am

Greetings,

An interesting video from venerable Vimalaramsi on..

How the Visuddhi Magga and the Abhidhamma has influenced the Buddha's Teachings


It goes some way to explaining why some people may legitimately prefer a suttanta method of meditation over that of one based upon post-Buddha teachings. Frankly, I find it refreshing to see a monk have the courage to defend the primacy of the Buddha's teaching, against the traditional backdrop of accumulated post-Buddha perspectives.

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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi on the Abhidhamma & the Visuddhi Magga

Postby legolas » Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:02 pm

Am at work at the moment so I dare'nt click on youtube, but will avidly watch it later. I find Bhante Vimalaramsi a breath of fresh air, he spent a huge chunk of his life following a Buddhism laid down by tradition. This is an enormous investment to make with your life. I think it showed a huge amount of courage to actually say to himself - this does not feel quite right and go back to the Suttas for inspiration. I believe it was Bhante Punnaji who first pointed Bhante Vimalaramsi towards concentrating on the suttas.

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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi on the Abhidhamma & the Visuddhi Magga

Postby cooran » Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:59 pm

Hello Retro,

Is this the same man who is mentioned somewhere in a thread here saying he could cure AIDS?

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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi on the Abhidhamma & the Visuddhi Magga

Postby cooran » Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:11 pm

Hello all,

I found the post re Bhante Vimalaramsi mentioning curing AIDS – it was by JCsuperstar:
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=3948#p58241
and the talk is here:
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=3948#p58258

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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi on the Abhidhamma & the Visuddhi Magga

Postby Adrien » Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:49 pm

Actually he didn't sayed that he could cure aids, but that he knew how to heal himself from aids if he happens to get it (which is still a little strange).

However, this is not the subject here. Being wrong/foolish at one time doesn't mean being wrong/foolish all the time. And there is no need to value Bhante Vimalaramsi's credibility here, since he is only talking about things we can easily verify.

So if you disagree whith what he says in this video (which I assume you do), please offer us some counter arguments. Please consider the words, not the speaker, and explain why you disagree whith him. I would be interested in your answer if you had the time and motivation to do it. And I'm not saying this in a challenging way, I would be truely interested in what you have to say :smile:
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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi on the Abhidhamma & the Visuddhi Magga

Postby cooran » Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:05 pm

Hello adrien,

I don't have any particular feelings one way or the other about the man. I follow the Burmese tradition, in which he was originally trained.

All teachers ought to be subjected to public scrutiny - it is a normal part of assessing whether a teacher is right for you.

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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi on the Abhidhamma & the Visuddhi Magga

Postby Adrien » Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:25 pm

"it is a normal part of assessing whether a teacher is right for you."
I agree, but I don't think it was the time nor the place to evaluate Bhante Vimalaramsi. You evaluate a teacher when you're about to engage yourself with his teachings. I think it was not necessary to judge him to discuss what he says in this video.
But this is not very important, thanks anyway.
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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi on the Abhidhamma & the Visuddhi Magga

Postby octathlon » Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:06 pm

Thanks for posting that, Retro!

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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi on the Abhidhamma & the Visuddhi Magga

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:11 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Ven. Vimalaramsi on the Abhidhamma & the Visuddhi Magga

Postby Adrien » Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:30 pm

Anyway, Bhante Vimalaramsi didn't say that abhidhamma is not mentionned in the sutta pitaka (neither he said it is), but that the story of how the abhidhamma was taught is to be found only in commentarial texts.
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Re: Ven. Vimalaramsi on the Abhidhamma & the Visuddhi Magga

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:31 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Postby Adrien » Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:54 pm

Please don't hesitate to correct my english if you feel to

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Re: Ven. Vimalaramsi on the Abhidhamma & the Visuddhi Magga

Postby legolas » Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:05 am

Awesome video. Why get sidetracked about "curing aids"? If you want to take the sutta's and dhamma as a whole, then curing illness with dhamma is nothing new.


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Re: Ven. Vimalaramsi on the Abhidhamma & the Visuddhi Magga

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Postby retrofuturist » Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:01 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Ven. Vimalaramsi on the Abhidhamma & the Visuddhi Magga

Postby alan » Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:37 am

I loved it. Maybe because attempts at understanding Visuddhimagga have always left me more perplexed than enlightened... and maybe because after reading the suttas I don't see the need for adding unnecessarily complex levels of interpretation.

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Re: Ven. Vimalaramsi on the Abhidhamma & the Visuddhi Magga

Postby legolas » Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:40 am

It was Bhante Vimalaramsi who helped me escape the person I had become via "vipassana". Numerous 10 day courses, although initially enticing had turned me into an unthinking, hard-hearted individual who was gradually losing all sense of the joy and wonder of the Dhamma - which is what attracted me to it in the first place. There is more between heaven & earth than bare attention & observing sensations, and Bhante Vimalaramsi is one of the few monks who actually teach what that is. If we want to hang around waiting for the "perfect" monk as a teacher, we might have a long wait. All I know is that Bhante's teachings resonate with the suttas, introduce clear guidelines for practice which find verification in the suttas, and most importantly they work.

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Re: Ven. Vimalaramsi on the Abhidhamma & the Visuddhi Magga

Postby kirk5a » Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:31 am

O.K. Well that clears up a lot of things for me. Thanks for posting that video.
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