MN Session 7 - MN 135. Cūḷakammavibhanga Sutta

[retrofuturist]

Greetings venerable Pesala,

There is no room for blind chance or moral impotency in Buddhism.

Perhaps, but there are niyamas that function without direct causality from kamma.

Metta,
Retro.

[Jechbi]

... there are niyamas that function without direct causality from kamma.

Sure, but aren't they still ordered and not random?

[retrofuturist]

Greetings Jechbi,

... there are niyamas that function without direct causality from kamma.

Sure, but aren't they still ordered and not random?

Yes, but all five aren't consequences of our actions.

For example, the "faulty genes" mentioned earlier on need not be attributed to kamma niyama.... why not to bija niyama (the physical organic order)?

So yes, it's not "blind chance" that these things happen. Of course there are causes and effects, but I think it's inaccurate to conclusively say about someone who is crippled or has some unfortunately genetic condition that it's a result of kamma niyama. But that is what many people say...

Metta,
Retro.

[jcsuperstar]

i'm gonna shut this one now, i guess if you have any more questions about kamma and how it works we can start a new thread..
jc