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Why we pay homage to Buddha? - Dhamma Wheel

Why we pay homage to Buddha?

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Why we pay homage to Buddha?

Postby SarathW » Sat Dec 10, 2016 1:06 am

I just wonder why we pay homage to Buddha.
I agree what Buddha thought was very profound even though I still have no idea what it is.
But what he taught was some thing natural like say discovering splitting the atom.
We do not pay homage to Albert Einstein.
Then why we pay homage to Buddha?
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Re: Why we pay homage to Buddha?

Postby chownah » Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:45 am

If one does not know why one pays homage to the buddha then I think that doing so is an empty ritual...and empty rituals are to be abandoned if stream entry is to be attained I think.
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Re: Why we pay homage to Buddha?

Postby santa100 » Sat Dec 10, 2016 5:53 am

Huge difference. Just ask youself, what's the use of the "discovery of atom splitting" to every moment of your life to better yourself? versus the use of the 3 characteristics, 4NT, 5 precepts, 8NP, 12DO, etc. to every moment of your life to better yourself? Then you'll see that for Einstein, we should respect him, but for the Buddha, we should pay homage to Him.

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Re: Why we pay homage to Buddha?

Postby BlackBird » Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:34 am

"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: Why we pay homage to Buddha?

Postby SarathW » Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:44 am

Thanks Black Bird
Good to see you back in the forum after a long time.
I hope you are well and bit more enlightened. (Perhaps an Arahant by now)
:D
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Re: Why we pay homage to Buddha?

Postby Mkoll » Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:36 pm

Hi Sarath,

Are you asking because you're having doubts/a crisis of faith or are you just looking to start a conversation? I'm guessing it's the second one, but I want to make sure before I consider replying.
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

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Re: Why we pay homage to Buddha?

Postby SarathW » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:15 pm

“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Why we pay homage to Buddha?

Postby BlackBird » Wed Dec 14, 2016 12:21 am

"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: Why we pay homage to Buddha?

Postby SarathW » Wed Dec 14, 2016 1:29 am

I used to pay homage to my school teachers until I wen to Uni.
We pay homage to elderly and my younger brothers and sisters still pay homage to me.
I think this practice is in other Asian countries as well.
This practice lacks in Western Society.
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Re: Why we pay homage to Buddha?

Postby chownah » Wed Dec 14, 2016 1:56 am

What does paying homage accomplish?
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Re: Why we pay homage to Buddha?

Postby SarathW » Thu Dec 15, 2016 10:03 am

“Brahmin, in the world with its gods, its lords of death, and its supreme beings, in this population with its ascetics and brahmins, its gods and humans, I donʼt see anyone to whom I should bow down, for whom I should rise up, or to whom I should offer a seat. If the Buddha bowed down to anyone, rose up for him, or offered him a seat, his head would explode.”


“Just so, in this population without understanding, enveloped like an egg, I alone in the world have split the eggshell of ignorance and reached the unsurpassed full awakening. I, brahmin, am the world’s eldest and best.


“Good Gotama is the eldest; good Gotama is the best! Wonderful, good Gotama, wonderful! Just as one might set upright what had been overturned, or reveal what had been hidden, or show the way to one who was lost, or bring a lamp into the darkness so that one with eyes might see what is there— just so have you made the Teaching clear in many ways. Good Gotama, I go for refuge to you, and to the Teaching and to the Order of monks. Please accept me as a lay follower who has gone for refuge for life. And please consent to spend the rains at Verañjā together with the Order of monks.” The Master consented by keeping silent, and the brahmin understood. He then rose from his seat, bowed down to the Master, circumambulated him with his right side towards him, and departed.


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Re: Why we pay homage to Buddha?

Postby Mkoll » Thu Dec 15, 2016 10:53 am

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

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Re: Why we pay homage to Buddha?

Postby whynotme » Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:53 pm

Please stop following me

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Re: Why we pay homage to Buddha?

Postby SarathW » Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:09 pm

Very interesting thoughts Whynotime.
Coming back to the topic I just start to wonder whether homage is about seniority and customs.
For example a newly ordained monk should bow down to senior monk.
Any female monk should bow down to any male monk irrespective of seniority.
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Re: Why we pay homage to Buddha?

Postby ganegaar » Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:40 am

Personally I pay homage, because Buddha is my teacher. It is in our eastern cultural thing to pay homage to our teachers.
Also I pay homage because he posses qualities of a Buddha (ithipi so bhagava, arahan, samma-sambuddo,..) , which are definitely qualities that need to be venerated.
Also I pay homage because he was and still is being venerated by people who are far far more intelligent to me, venerated by people who have walked in the path (dhamma path).
Also I pay homage because I want to loose my arrogance and be humble! - he is simply my teacher.

Now unfortunately, the teacher - pupil relationship is so much different in current western culture than the eastern culture, some of the things I said might be completely incomprehensible, and definitely will lack the gravity I personally would attach to!.
Sīlepatiṭṭhāya naro sapañño, cittaṃ paññañca bhāvayaṃ;
Ātāpī nipako bhikkhu, so imaṃ vijaṭaye jaṭanti.


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