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Why is Mindfulness So Difficult ?? - Dhamma Wheel

Why is Mindfulness So Difficult ??

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Why is Mindfulness So Difficult ??

Postby mgm2010 » Sat Oct 29, 2016 3:31 am

I am a non-buddhist but I am avid reader and practitioner of buddhist scriptures. Since quite some time , an idea has been haunting me as to why, at all, it becomes so difficult for the mind to come to a single focus or to remain watchful of what is going on [ mindfulness ] ?? What is it in the fundamental structure of the mind that makes these activities so very difficult ?? Can it be that our evolution and survival so far has been based on the thought process ?? Hence the mind has been conditioned over billions of years to the thought process and is not able to mould itself to thoughtlessness or concentration or mindfulness(These terms I am using rather loosely).
2. Secondly, I am interested to know what does the buddhist scriptures have to say about
(a) Meditation before going to sleep
(b)Meditation during sleep ??

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Re: Why is Mindfulness So Difficult ??

Postby SarathW » Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:27 am

“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Why is Mindfulness So Difficult ??

Postby mgm2010 » Sat Oct 29, 2016 8:58 am

My query is more fundamental, in the sense that, for one-pointedness all these conditions have to adhered to whereas free flow of thoughts go on all by itself. Nobody has to tell us how to let the thoughts flow freely. Why is it so ??
How and Why has the mind got conditioned to free flow of thoughts to begin with ??
And now the mind is finding it difficult to de-condition itself from free flowing thoughts and get one-pointed ??

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Re: Why is Mindfulness So Difficult ??

Postby SarathW » Sat Oct 29, 2016 9:15 am

“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Why is Mindfulness So Difficult ??

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Sat Oct 29, 2016 9:36 am

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Re: Why is Mindfulness So Difficult ??

Postby SarathW » Sat Oct 29, 2016 10:01 am

“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Why is Mindfulness So Difficult ??

Postby JohnK » Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:49 pm

"Why is it, Master Kaccana, that ascetics fight with ascetics?"
"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics" (AN 2: iv, 6, abridged).
Kindly eyes, not verbal daggers.

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Re: Why is Mindfulness So Difficult ??

Postby Caodemarte » Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:01 pm

Another explanation is that it is not difficult or easy, but made so by the ingrained habits of the mind. Remember the Buddha despairing because of all his wasted effort until he remembered easily falling into a jhana as a child? After that he got on the right path.

Look at people diving into a pool. Some tense up and get hurt. Some go in gracefully. It is not the diving which is diffult, but the mind which makes it so. It takes time and practice for people to learn to dive in a "naturally" relaxed fashion.

The lute cannot be strung too tightly or loosely. Now excuse me as I go tighten the strings and break them once again.

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Re: Why is Mindfulness So Difficult ??

Postby SarathW » Sun Oct 30, 2016 7:34 pm

“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Why is Mindfulness So Difficult ??

Postby JohnK » Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:27 pm

"Why is it, Master Kaccana, that ascetics fight with ascetics?"
"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics" (AN 2: iv, 6, abridged).
Kindly eyes, not verbal daggers.

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Re: Why is Mindfulness So Difficult ??

Postby SarathW » Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:34 am

I think mind is like Google!
When you think some thing your mind present you with other similar (links) things.
It is no difference to surfing the net.
:rolleye:
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Why is Mindfulness So Difficult ??

Postby pegembara » Mon Oct 31, 2016 4:43 am

And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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Re: Why is Mindfulness So Difficult ??

Postby rajitha7 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:28 am

Please find an audio guide here ->

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bwjp9K ... BGZFU/view

It helped me.

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Re: Why is Mindfulness So Difficult ??

Postby gben » Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:55 am

Mindfulness is simply a matter of practice. You were once very, very mindful for the first year or so of your life, then you were taught to separate yourself from everything else and center your thoughts on you.

The more you practice watching and learning the more you will head back to that first year. Learning does not have to be large or complicated. When you come home from work learn where you put your jacket, wallet and keys. Before you go to be learn where you laid your eyeglasses. Learn someone's name etc.. When you are washing dishes look at your hands at work, look at the dishes as they are picked up, washed and put on the rack. Stop and learn the way you are sitting or laying or walking. Then forget those things and look at the grass and sidewalk and clouds and telephone wires.

Thinking is man's worst enemy, it has taken over and although the men it is attached to are alive it works tirelessly to destroy those men and all of life. Silly huh? Thought it to be used like a screwdriver, taken out of the toolbox when it is complimentary to life, but stowed back away when it is not needed, is destructive or is not practical. If someone throws a brick at your head and you think about it then it hits you, but if you move without a thought then you are saved.

Realize there is no free will. Left alone your body will function like a plant, moving towards what it needs to live, retracting from what harms it. Your thoughts are also the same as a tree, moving towards what perpetuates them and away from that which destroys them. Because thought has separated itself from life and forgot it needs life, it can destroy it. This is what ignorance is. Anyone can see that things that work in harmony continue, things that work against each other decay. The ego has forgot what it is, had made up new identities for itself, new divisions and set them against each other.

Once you see what you are then you are free of all this. You will be part of the whole again and you will execute your nature. Thought can be played with like a toy as long as it is not mistaken for what is real.

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Re: Why is Mindfulness So Difficult ??

Postby The Thinker » Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:50 am

A talk that investigates our intentions, which I hope will be an aid to those struggling with mindfulness. msb.dharmaseed.org/talks/audio_player/163/19556.html

Dharma Seed - Shaila Catherine's Dharma Talks at Insight Meditation South Bay - Silicon Valley

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Re: Why is Mindfulness So Difficult ??

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:50 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Why is Mindfulness So Difficult ??

Postby Aloka » Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:01 pm

Hi mgm2010,

This little mindfulness booklet by Ajahn Sumedho might be helpful :





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