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Sati is not the stay in the present moment! - Dhamma Wheel

Sati is not the stay in the present moment!

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Sati is not the stay in the present moment!

Postby SarathW » Sat Oct 08, 2016 8:43 am

Bhante Ayasma Aggasitta said "Sati is not stay in the present moment!"

What is your comment on this?

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Re: Sati is not stay in the present moment!

Postby bodom » Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:06 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


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Postby SarathW » Sat Oct 08, 2016 8:25 pm

Thanks Bodom.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Postby SarathW » Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:41 am

Bhante Aggasitta give some interesting points (counter 5.06)in the following video.

To be here and now (present moment) means stay with the five senses.
a) The five senses only can stay in the present moment.
Stay in the present moment (open awareness) is equal to keep attention on the breath (focus awareness).
Mind is not agitated. With open awareness meditator contemplate on Anicca, Dukkha and Anatta.
b) Mind can stay mainly with the past or the future. (unless it is trained)
Thinking means mind occupy with the past or future.
c) Mind can take only one object at a time.

“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Postby dhammarelax » Sun Oct 09, 2016 4:23 pm

Even if the flesh & blood in my body dry up, leaving just the skin, tendons, & bones, I will use all my human firmness, human persistence and human striving. There will be no relaxing my persistence until I am the first of my generation to attain full awakening in this lifetime. ed. AN 2.5

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Re: Sati is not the stay in the present moment!

Postby paul » Tue Oct 25, 2016 8:21 pm

I agree that concentrating on the present is not mindfulness and would be unprofitable. The frame of impermanence means present events must be placed in a time sequence of birth, growth, ripeness, decline and death, expanding the perception of them beyond the immediate. The mind’s bias toward selecting the ripeness aspect of perceptions according with the primal search for food means that focussing on the present without a frame perpetuates the hallucination. There needs to be the effort to include fallen leaves, decay, sickness and death into everyday thoughts to obtain the hidden and sober picture.
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Re: Sati is not the stay in the present moment!

Postby dhammacoustic » Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:02 am

Sati (or samma-sati) is continuous remembrance and comtemplation of the Dhamma.

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Postby Dmytro » Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:07 am

Hi,

You may find useful a detailed disccusion of this term in the thread:

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=4299&start=260#p387615


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Postby SarathW » Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:43 am

“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Postby Aloka » Sat Oct 29, 2016 10:05 am

Ajahn Jayasaro talks about the meaning of sati in this 4 minute video:





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Re: Sati is not the stay in the present moment!

Postby _anicca_ » Sun Oct 30, 2016 1:12 am

Sati is remembering to bring your mind back to the present moment.

Many dhamma teachers make the distinction between mindfulness (sati) and concentration.


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Re: Sati is not the stay in the present moment!

Postby SarathW » Sun Oct 30, 2016 1:21 am

It pays to listen to Satipathana Sutta to refresh your mind.
Audio file.

http://www.suttareadings.net/audio/
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Re: Sati is not the stay in the present moment!

Postby Spiny Norman » Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:55 am

I think sati is multi-layered, but includes an ongoing awareness of what is arising at the sense-bases. This is partly to provide the "raw data" for investigation ( dhamma vicaya ), the second factor of enlightenment.
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Re: Sati is not the stay in the present moment!

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Oct 30, 2016 8:33 am

Hi
I have not watched the video, However, Sati is not staying in the present moment, it is memory, recollection, and keeping the object in mind. The object can be what is happening in this very moment (sampajanna section of the Satipatthana sutta), but it is not confined to keeping only this moment in mind/staying in the present moment.

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Sati is not the stay in the present moment!

Postby sandun Wanniarachchi » Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:26 pm

“Venerable sir, it is said, ‘the world, the world.’ In what way, venerable sir, might there be the world or the description of the world?”

“Where there is the eye, Samiddhi, where there are forms, eye-consciousness, things to be cognized by eye-consciousness, there the world exists or the description of the world.

“Where there is the ear …..

“Where there is no eye, Samiddhi, no forms, no eye-consciousness, no things to be cognized by eye-consciousness, there the world does not exist nor any description of the world.

" Where there is no ear,.....

S.N. 35.66

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Re: Sati is not the stay in the present moment!

Postby R1111 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:17 am

sati is more like being reminded of whats being experienced. Mind is sort of always with present moment because it preceeds everything but its grasping without satti. present moment arises and ceases, a moment of pain or seeing, its there and it ceases, then there is the next moment of sati or clear thought if conditions are present it seems. so technically its not staying in any moment, more like moments where we remind ourselves of what is being experienced.


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