Unconcious/Subconcious Anicca

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Unconcious/Subconcious Anicca

Postby hallgee » Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:56 pm

I have been practicing (Goenkan) Vipassana for about 5 months. I have found that when I am able to communicate with my subconscious the effects are most pronounced, as when the pain of sitting finally went away during my initial adhittana (stationary) sittings, and a lot of other little pains and stiffness also lifted. My subconscious was educated by the sensation of pain ameliorating, not by my conscious mind telling it "stop feeling pain".

I would like to do the same with anicca. (The concept of) anicca still originates in my conscious mind, whereas pain/pleasure originates in my subconscious mind. I would like to bridge the gap vis a vis anicca, and make it as subconscious a process as possible. The closest I have gotten is this: as I feel sensations, I feel a ball/ridge of energy (arising) at the line of my awareness during a body scan, followed by a sensation of (passing) as the energy fades, rather like a comet in the sky. I still have to consciously remind myself sometimes that this is arising/passing (anicca), but it is better than using "anicca" as a continual conscious-level mantra, since the former at least involves body sensations.

Just wondering how others handle this, as the literature has not really answered it to my satisfaction.

Thank you.
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Re: Unconcious/Subconcious Anicca

Postby Ben » Sat Oct 26, 2013 12:55 am

Focus instead on developing awareness of the anicca characteristic of sensation.
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Re: Unconcious/Subconcious Anicca

Postby hallgee » Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:45 pm

Ben wrote:Focus instead on developing awareness of the anicca characteristic of sensation.
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Sorry I'm late in replying--and thanks for your focused answer. Makes me re-frame my question: is this awareness a conscious or unconscious process?

It really is a question of what to do during practice. Often during adhittana I just sit and feel the "line of energy/vibrations" go through me like a comet (with the attendant arising/passing), a process which theoretically involves little or no conscious thought. Point: Is this essentially unconscious process a contemplation of anicca (does my unconscious feel the arising/passing automatically/instinctively), or do I have to consciously remind myself about anicca (arising/passing) as well during sitting, a process which involves visualization/mantra, something I am trying to get away from?

metta and thanks.
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Re: Unconcious/Subconcious Anicca

Postby Ben » Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:06 pm

So long as you are aware of the anicca characteristic of the sensations you are experiencing you don't have to repeat "anicca".
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Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.

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sobbhesu padaresu ca,
saṇantā yanti kusobbhā,
tuṇhīyanti mahodadhī.

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