I take the view that if a method works and isn't contradicting the suttas then it has some validity and is worth looking at.alan... wrote:interesting. i find i'm always stuck between liberal ideas and literal "this is the one and only interpretation and method that works" ideas. i like your thinking, but i also wonder about the specificity of the suttas. then again, they are broadly written in many ways as well, hence all the perceived need for interpretation.porpoise wrote:
I think it depends where you are with your practice of mindfulness. And there are other options, some people return to the breath at regular intervals or use a mantra. If I'm outside I tend to use physical sensations like wind on my face. Probably it's about being creative and finding what works.
satipatthana with virtually zero discursive thought
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smart thinking.porpoise wrote:I take the view that if a method works and isn't contradicting the suttas then it has some validity and is worth looking at.alan... wrote:interesting. i find i'm always stuck between liberal ideas and literal "this is the one and only interpretation and method that works" ideas. i like your thinking, but i also wonder about the specificity of the suttas. then again, they are broadly written in many ways as well, hence all the perceived need for interpretation.porpoise wrote:
I think it depends where you are with your practice of mindfulness. And there are other options, some people return to the breath at regular intervals or use a mantra. If I'm outside I tend to use physical sensations like wind on my face. Probably it's about being creative and finding what works.
Re: satipatthana with virtually zero discursive thought
this sutta is about details in all one's internal & external organs, and the inner thoughts, understanding from the liberal aspect but contemplating solely on the literal of the source code. This source code you need to realize it, otherwise all contemplation is gearing into its realization. The actualization thereafter depends on one aptitude and hardwork.
To become vegetarian is to step into the stream which leads to nirvana.
If you light a lamp for somebody, it will also brighten your path. He who experiences the unity of life sees his own Self in all beings, and all beings in his own Self.
If you light a lamp for somebody, it will also brighten your path. He who experiences the unity of life sees his own Self in all beings, and all beings in his own Self.
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I agree that it's important to include vedana, but given the distinction in the suttas between physical and mental vedana it seems reasonable to put physical vedana with "body" and mental vedana with "mind".IanAnd wrote:I second porpoise's main premise that the four establishments of mindfulness is perhaps the best framework for developing the gradual path toward awakening through mindfulness. However, one should not eliminate the perception of vedana from the mix as it will help demonstrate depending co-arising when one is working at eliminating unwholesome reactions/responses from one's mental processes.porpoise wrote: I find that the 4 foundations of mindfulness are a useful framework for developing mindfulness, sometimes I simplify them to just "body" and "mind".
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