Balancing walking and sitting meditation

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Balancing walking and sitting meditation

Postby purple planet » Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:13 am

how important is the balancing ?
if someone cant do walking meditation how can he meditate well ?
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Re: Balancing walking and sitting meditation

Postby Kim OHara » Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:31 am

I've always thought of walking meditation as the 'optional extra' - mostly as a break from the sitting, for those who need one.
Maybe I've always been wrong,though. :thinking:

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Re: Balancing walking and sitting meditation

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:40 am

Kim O'Hara wrote:I've always thought of walking meditation as the 'optional extra' - mostly as a break from the sitting, for those who need one.
Maybe I've always been wrong,though. :thinking:

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Actually, walking meditation can be a primary meditation practice and it certainly can be so when one is struggling with sleepiness. It is a practice worth seriously working with.
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Re: Balancing walking and sitting meditation

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:26 pm

From my own experience, walking meditation takes just as much effort and practice as sitting meditation - you probably won't get much benefit out of it if you don't at least do a little bit every day. Doing a small session before you sit is a great way to calm the mind and get it ready for the more intense concentration of traditional on-the-cushion meditation..
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Re: Balancing walking and sitting meditation

Postby purple planet » Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:47 pm

Also asking on the opposite - is it good to do just sitting - in the ajahn tong - way of meditation they say its important to balance
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Re: Balancing walking and sitting meditation

Postby polarbuddha101 » Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:55 pm

Balance is definitely ideal. But it can be harder to find a quiet place to do walking meditation than it is to do sitting meditation in one's own home. That's my problem, I live 350 feet from the freeway in southern california and I'm in a dense suburb so there isn't any area I can go to that's secluded. But if you have a place to do walking meditation you should do it. Besides, it's healthy for your body as well as your mind.

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Re: Balancing walking and sitting meditation

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:13 pm

If one does not have a long path on which to do walking practice, one can do it on a very short path and inside. In that case it would be a matter of slowing down the walking. This is something one can experiment with, trying different ways to see what works.
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Re: Balancing walking and sitting meditation

Postby polarbuddha101 » Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:30 pm

tiltbillings wrote:If one does not have a long path on which to do walking practice, one can do it on a very short path and inside. In that case it would be a matter of slowing down the walking. This is something one can experiment with, trying different ways to see what works.


Thanks for the tip Tilt, I'll start doing that.


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"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."
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Re: Balancing walking and sitting meditation

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:40 pm

tiltbillings wrote:If one does not have a long path on which to do walking practice, one can do it on a very short path and inside. In that case it would be a matter of slowing down the walking. This is something one can experiment with, trying different ways to see what works.

Or a circle/semi-circle, if you have an open space in your living room or bedroom.
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Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
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Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
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Re: Balancing walking and sitting meditation

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:41 pm

polarbuddha101 wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:If one does not have a long path on which to do walking practice, one can do it on a very short path and inside. In that case it would be a matter of slowing down the walking. This is something one can experiment with, trying different ways to see what works.


Thanks for the tip Tilt, I'll start doing that.


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You are welcome. Walking meditation kind of gets neglected. It is a bit of work/time to get a sense of what walking meditation is about, but it is worth the effort.
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Re: Balancing walking and sitting meditation

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:42 pm

LonesomeYogurt wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:If one does not have a long path on which to do walking practice, one can do it on a very short path and inside. In that case it would be a matter of slowing down the walking. This is something one can experiment with, trying different ways to see what works.

Or a circle/semi-circle, if you have an open space in your living room or bedroom.
Yes.
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Re: Balancing walking and sitting meditation

Postby Billymac29 » Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:54 am

Heard a story that Ananda reached enlightenment while doing walking meditation... This could be totally false, dont know how legit the source is....but still its nice to see some others find this practice very important and practical!

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Re: Balancing walking and sitting meditation

Postby mikenz66 » Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:16 am

Here is a reference to Ananda, who achieved full awakening between standing and lying down...
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=15864&start=20#p227720

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Re: Balancing walking and sitting meditation

Postby purple planet » Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:24 am

lol sorry i wasnt clear - im not asking if to do walking meditation i have no doubt its good -

just that in the mahasi sayadaw technique - if i understand correctly they say you should balance the walking with sitting - so i ask except from how important is the balancing
if someone cant walk how does it work for him and if i can do more walking than sitting (or more sitting) should i do more walking on the expense of balancing ?

this question i guess is for whoever heared about the need for balancing
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Re: Balancing walking and sitting meditation

Postby Samma » Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:01 pm

Q12: Venerable Sir, what is the purpose for the rotation of one­hour sitting and one­hour walking
in practice?
Mahasi Sayadaw: Too much walking tends to arouse more energy (viriya) but less concentration (samadhi). So one is scheduled to sit and walk alternately an hour each. Thus, the balance can be kept between concentration and energy.

Note that that is in a retreat environment where you are practicing a long time. If you have less time, often people will walk less, sit more. Sitting too long is just not good for the body. There is working with pain, but you don't want to injure yourself. Certainly teachers will suggest sitting for longer periods if trying more to deepen concentration. And if your energy/effort seems week try walking.

Also check out: http://www.bps.lk/olib/wh/wh464-p.html#ThaiForest
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Re: Balancing walking and sitting meditation

Postby tiltbillings » Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:17 pm

Samma wrote:Note that that is in a retreat environment where you are practicing a long time.
What is worth noting is that retreat instructions are not necessarily optimal for daily life practice. With walking meditation one can experiment to find what works. And because walking meditation is an active physical activity, it can be a very good way of cultivating concentration and mindfulness that can be a good carry-over into one's daily activities.
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Re: Balancing walking and sitting meditation

Postby zavk » Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:38 am

tiltbillings wrote:With walking meditation one can experiment to find what works. And because walking meditation is an active physical activity, it can be a very good way of cultivating concentration and mindfulness that can be a good carry-over into one's daily activities.


Yes, yes. I'll be honest... I didn't cultivate walking meditation regularly until recently. I can't say exactly why I was reluctant to do it in the past - maybe I got too comfortable (caught in conceit, even) with sitting, maybe I thought that walking meditation wasn't as 'deep' (however one measures that for oneself), maybe I thought walking was a 'cop out'. But if anyone is ambivalent about walking meditation and/or is curious - I'd say give it a go, especially if you are working in a desk job. Experiment with it for a week or so; around 30 minutes a day. Then see how you feel about it.
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Re: Balancing walking and sitting meditation

Postby Sylvester » Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:39 pm

tiltbillings wrote:
Kim O'Hara wrote:I've always thought of walking meditation as the 'optional extra' - mostly as a break from the sitting, for those who need one.
Maybe I've always been wrong,though. :thinking:

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Actually, walking meditation can be a primary meditation practice and it certainly can be so when one is struggling with sleepiness. It is a practice worth seriously working with.



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