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Is there Nimitta outside of Theravada? - Dhamma Wheel

Is there Nimitta outside of Theravada?

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Is there Nimitta outside of Theravada?

Postby pyluyten » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:29 am

Nimitta is sometimes discussed here, it is a common and somewhat important concept is Samatha.

Is there "Nimitta" or similar concept in other branch of Buddhism, eg Chan/Zen ? (after all, Zen means Dhyana).
Is there Nimitta in Yoga? or in other practices?

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Re: Is there Nimitta outside of Theravada?

Postby R1111 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:00 pm

In general yes, but the nimittas associated with the Samatha Jhanas are developed, so a given practise must have a certain structure to it so that it leads to those when cultivated. Afaik there are many diffrent kinds of Nimitta some are experienced by most people i guess.

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Re: Is there Nimitta outside of Theravada?

Postby paul » Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:31 pm

Development of the sign (nimitta) means developing visualisation, which is a prominent part of Tibetan meditation, however in Theravada it is not emphasised because of the danger of attraction to the ten imperfections of insight, such as illumination, which may lead off the path. But this does not mean it's not an important part of samatha meditation, indeed it arose in the Buddha.
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Re: Is there Nimitta outside of Theravada?

Postby Caodemarte » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:49 pm

Nimitta is used with such a range of meanings and there are so many different teachers in both sects, that it is difficult to answer this interesting question. Some Theravada teachers, for example, dismiss nimitta (as definite signs appearing in meditation) entirely. Generally speaking, I would think Chan/Zen not be interested in developing attention to nimitta, but tell students to simply note and continue on.

If you are interested in this question you might want to pose it over at Zen Forum for a more informed answer.

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Re: Is there Nimitta outside of Theravada?

Postby pyluyten » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:24 am

Thanks all for your comments links, appreciated! i now have some material to loot at yoga approach.

(I was once told samatha came to buddhism from Yoga but facts seem to show the opposite).

About the Zen, yes maybe asking a "Sensei" would make sense. From books i found rather generic instructions, which did not stated this or that step in meditative pratice. Not distinguishing steps might be a clever way to focus on practice rather than "think about practice". But on the other hand it leaves you alone with your questions and i guess yes, Sensei is the one to answer rather than books.

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Re: Is there Nimitta outside of Theravada?

Postby paul » Mon Jan 23, 2017 5:55 am

(I was once told samatha came to buddhism from Yoga but facts seem to show the opposite).
No.
Buddhism branched away from Hinduism, all the Buddha's early training was in samatha meditation as that was all that existed at the time. The Buddha then was motivated to go beyond that and developed vipassana, which is the essential and unique element of Buddhism as it completely removes the fetters.


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