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Is it possible to attain the first jhana outside of a retreat?

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Is it possible to attain the first jhana outside of a retreat?

Postby Seladhamma » Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:10 pm

Hello, all. This is a question that arose last time I was in retreat with Bhante Yogavacara Rahula. He told me that reaching the first jhana requires a certain level of abandonment of sense pleasures, so that the mind, having no other refuge, stops trying to escape meditation practice and produces the immersion experienced in the jhanas.

Has anyone ever experienced the jhanas and, if so, under what circumstances and conditions? Do you think it's possible to attain jhana without being in a retreat?

:anjali:
"Ko nu hāso kimānando,
niccaṃ pajjalite sati;
Andhakārena onaddhā,
padīpaṃ na gavesatha"


"How is there joy, how is there laughter
When the world is constantly aflame?
Surrounded by darkness,
Won't you look for the light?"
-- Dhp. 146

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Re: Is it possible to attain the first jhana outside of a retreat?

Postby katavedi » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:31 pm

“But, Gotamī, when you know of certain things: ‘These things lead to dispassion, not to passion; to detachment, not to attachment; to diminution, not to accumulation; to having few wishes, not to having many wishes; to contentment, not to discontent; to seclusion, not to socializing; to the arousing of energy, not to indolence; to simple living, not to luxurious living’ – of such things you can be certain: ‘This is the Dhamma; this is the Discipline; this is the Master’s Teaching.’”

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Re: Is it possible to attain the first jhana outside of a retreat?

Postby SarathW » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:41 pm

“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Postby Spiny Norman » Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:36 pm

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Re: Is it possible to attain the first jhana outside of a retreat?

Postby Seladhamma » Sat Jun 25, 2016 4:49 am

"Ko nu hāso kimānando,
niccaṃ pajjalite sati;
Andhakārena onaddhā,
padīpaṃ na gavesatha"


"How is there joy, how is there laughter
When the world is constantly aflame?
Surrounded by darkness,
Won't you look for the light?"
-- Dhp. 146

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Re: Is it possible to attain the first jhana outside of a retreat?

Postby Caodemarte » Sat Jun 25, 2016 5:33 pm

Just to clarify: 2 hours more or less together (either continuous or with a short walk between) or separated, say an hour in morning and one in the evening? I assume that mediation means sitting mediation here.

I realize that their is no magic scheme here; I just want to clarify the meaning of what was said.

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Re: Is it possible to attain the first jhana outside of a retreat?

Postby katavedi » Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:34 pm

“But, Gotamī, when you know of certain things: ‘These things lead to dispassion, not to passion; to detachment, not to attachment; to diminution, not to accumulation; to having few wishes, not to having many wishes; to contentment, not to discontent; to seclusion, not to socializing; to the arousing of energy, not to indolence; to simple living, not to luxurious living’ – of such things you can be certain: ‘This is the Dhamma; this is the Discipline; this is the Master’s Teaching.’”

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Re: Is it possible to attain the first jhana outside of a retreat?

Postby katavedi » Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:47 pm

“But, Gotamī, when you know of certain things: ‘These things lead to dispassion, not to passion; to detachment, not to attachment; to diminution, not to accumulation; to having few wishes, not to having many wishes; to contentment, not to discontent; to seclusion, not to socializing; to the arousing of energy, not to indolence; to simple living, not to luxurious living’ – of such things you can be certain: ‘This is the Dhamma; this is the Discipline; this is the Master’s Teaching.’”

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Re: Is it possible to attain the first jhana outside of a retreat?

Postby mikenz66 » Sat Jun 25, 2016 10:13 pm

Thanks, katavedi, for the useful comparison of approaches. That's a very helpful analysis.

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Re: Is it possible to attain the first jhana outside of a retreat?

Postby SarathW » Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:02 pm

Concentration (Jhana) is a universal mental faculty.
Even a cat has a certain amount of concentration.
So it is important to understand what we meant by Jhana.
There are mainly two types of Jhana.
Samatha and Vipassana
Then more divisions.
House hold, Kamavacara, Rupavacara and Arupavacara etc.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Is it possible to attain the first jhana outside of a retreat?

Postby Spiny Norman » Sun Jun 26, 2016 5:25 am

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Postby SarathW » Sun Jun 26, 2016 6:10 am

“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Postby Spiny Norman » Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:02 am

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Re: Is it possible to attain the first jhana outside of a retreat?

Postby dhammarelax » Sun Jun 26, 2016 5:22 pm

Even if the flesh & blood in my body dry up, leaving just the skin, tendons, & bones, I will use all my human firmness, human persistence and human striving. There will be no relaxing my persistence until I am the first of my generation to attain full awakening in this lifetime. ed. AN 2.5

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Re: Is it possible to attain the first jhana outside of a retreat?

Postby Seladhamma » Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:17 pm

"Ko nu hāso kimānando,
niccaṃ pajjalite sati;
Andhakārena onaddhā,
padīpaṃ na gavesatha"


"How is there joy, how is there laughter
When the world is constantly aflame?
Surrounded by darkness,
Won't you look for the light?"
-- Dhp. 146

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Re: Is it possible to attain the first jhana outside of a retreat?

Postby Seladhamma » Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:19 pm

"Ko nu hāso kimānando,
niccaṃ pajjalite sati;
Andhakārena onaddhā,
padīpaṃ na gavesatha"


"How is there joy, how is there laughter
When the world is constantly aflame?
Surrounded by darkness,
Won't you look for the light?"
-- Dhp. 146

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Re: Is it possible to attain the first jhana outside of a retreat?

Postby katavedi » Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:35 pm

“But, Gotamī, when you know of certain things: ‘These things lead to dispassion, not to passion; to detachment, not to attachment; to diminution, not to accumulation; to having few wishes, not to having many wishes; to contentment, not to discontent; to seclusion, not to socializing; to the arousing of energy, not to indolence; to simple living, not to luxurious living’ – of such things you can be certain: ‘This is the Dhamma; this is the Discipline; this is the Master’s Teaching.’”

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Re: Is it possible to attain the first jhana outside of a retreat?

Postby Seladhamma » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:30 am

Thank you for clarifying, katavedi. I'm a relative newcomer to the idea of actually practicing jhana, and have much to learn. Any info is useful.

Kind regards,
Seladhamma :anjali:
"Ko nu hāso kimānando,
niccaṃ pajjalite sati;
Andhakārena onaddhā,
padīpaṃ na gavesatha"


"How is there joy, how is there laughter
When the world is constantly aflame?
Surrounded by darkness,
Won't you look for the light?"
-- Dhp. 146


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