Re: how do you enter jhana?
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 6:30 pm
alan... wrote:danieLion wrote:
...and how does one exit jhana?
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alan... wrote:danieLion wrote:
...and how does one exit jhana?
So with this post plus Ben's the message I'm getting is that one exits jhana by way of proper prior planning and development? I'm also reading that it involves a present willing (volition) of a future unwilling (non-volition), i.e., when in jhana you don't do any willing but rely on your previously willed cultivation(s)?Sylvester wrote:If you read DN 9 together with MN 44, that might suggest the answer...danieLion wrote:
...and how does one exit jhana?
I presume you mean beyond memorizing vocabulary? I've been doing that for a while. I've used some online tutorials for the grammar, but it's been a few months since I've done any assignments. I have a strong desire to read the suttas in Pali, and eventually do my own translating, so thanks for the motivational reminder.Sylvester wrote:Hi Daniel
That's how I think the suttas seem to describe it, based on the Pali.
Come to the Dark Side, and learn some Pali....
Sorry to keep bugging you, but could you give us a brief explanation of what the missakiriyā and bhavissantī constructions are. It's not evident to me from the Pali my search online yielded nil.Sylvester wrote:One example of this is to be found in MN 118 and the relation of the tetrads to jhana. If you look at the Pali, you will find that only the 1st tetrad admits of contemporaneity, owing to its use of the missakiriyā construction, versus the bhavissantī construction in the subsequent 3 tetrads. This difference has significant praxis consequences on how one practices ānāpānasati according to the MN 118 ideal.
Ah, yes. I can see that in TB's and BB's translations. I've noticed it before, too, come to think of it. In terms of the contemporaneity (of the viharati [abides in jhana] and samanupassati [regards]), which one are you assigning to tetrad 1 and which to tetrads 2-4?Sylvester wrote:Missa = with present participles
Bhav = future tense.
I'm not even sure I'm asking the right questions anymore.Sylvester wrote:Look again...
Haha. Nothing easier than that. It just happens. More often than you want it, if your unskilled.danieLion wrote:...and how does one exit jhana?
Its like asking, how does one gets restless? Exiting is not the problem, entering and maintaining the jhana, is.danieLion wrote:
...and how does one exit jhana?