dvemebhikkhave wrote:does the reference (SN IV sutta 217 refer to the salayatana vagga?) its about the breath being a hindrance to the 1st jhana, and does anyone have a reference for the absence of breathing in the 4th jhana?? thnks
SN IV is Samyutta Nikaya book 4 of the PTS editions, they usually have page numbers not sutta numbers so it is difficult to say precisely
however if it is refering to the sutta it is SN 35.217 Bāhirānāgata yaṃ dukkha, or the PTS refference - SN IV 155 which is in the salayatanavagga
1. "Monks, forms, sounds, scents, tastes, touches, and ideas will be unpleasant in the future. The impermanent are unpleasant and the unpleasant lack self. When self is lacking, it is not mine, I am not there, and it is not my self. This should be seen, as it really is, with right wisdom.
2. Monks, the learned noble disciple seeing it thus turns from forms, sounds, scents, tastes, touches and ideas. Having turned loses interest and is released. When released knowledge arises, birth is destroyed, the holy life is lived to the end duties are done and I have nothing more to wish."
I can not think of any references at the moment but believe there are some scarce refference somewhere, try going through the great rebirth debate using the ctrl+F function to search for breath quickly in each page.