Questions about Eight Precepts (attha-sila)

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Questions about Eight Precepts (attha-sila)

Postby faraway » Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:11 am

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Re: Questions about Eight Precepts (attha-sila)

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Re: Questions about Eight Precepts (attha-sila)

Postby SarathW » Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:07 am

Hi Faraway
Your question re:
8. Uccasayana-mahasayana veramani sikkhapadam samadiyami
I undertake the precept to refrain from lying on a high or luxurious sleeping place.

How high it means?

Does this include refraining of lying on a mattress that put on the floor?

What is the correct practice for this precept? Should the observer lay only on naked floor without pillow or any cushions? (I had tried it and wow my tailbone hurt , but it's a good experience though).

Is sleeping on plaited mat permissible?

What about the pillow or any cushions? Is it permissible too?

My answer:
this this is how I see it.

The objective of this precept is three folds.
a) Elimination of attachment to sensual pleasure. (comfortable beds etc)
b) Keep your mind alert (When you are too comfortable you may go to sleep and not easy to contemplate on stress – Dukkaha)
c) Most important part is to eliminate pride (Mana - tenth fetter) Can you imagine a king, queen or president of a state sitting on the floor. Only a humble person can do it.

If you keep above in your mind you will find the answers to your questions.
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Re: Questions about Eight Precepts (attha-sila)

Postby Cittasanto » Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:21 am

He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Questions about Eight Precepts (attha-sila)

Postby gavesako » Thu Sep 19, 2013 2:40 pm

There seems to be some misunderstanding about the "musavada" precept, as if this word was also meant to include the other three: divisive speech, abusive speech, & idle chatter. However, the precepts are only supposed to cover the strongest courses of action where a clear yes/no decision has to be made. So lying or uttering falsehood is a definite "no" for a practising Buddhist. The other courses of verbal action are also unwholesome, but often it takes more refined kind of attention to deal with them. See "Ten Unwholesome Courses of Action" (akusala kammapatha):
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Re: Questions about Eight Precepts (attha-sila)

Postby faraway » Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:28 pm

Thank you all for the answers :anjali:

I believe musavada means lying, but I guess there is nothing loss for anyone to aim for higher training by refraining from all incorrect speech.

In my just few days of training, sleeping on floor made me wake up earlier at the morning - things that I hardly do all this time without alarm - although sometimes I woke up at the midnight too because of my ass-bone got hurt :tongue: when laying flat.

I'm skinny and underweight, would it be alright for my body to only eat once a day? I'm afraid my body will become more like a skeleton :tongue:

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