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Struggling to understand the distinction between Samatha and Vipassana, in practice. - Dhamma Wheel

Struggling to understand the distinction between Samatha and Vipassana, in practice.

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Struggling to understand the distinction between Samatha and Vipassana, in practice.

Postby indianromeo » Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:07 pm

Hi all!

I'm struggling to comprehend the distinction between concentrating on the breath, which I can do, and vipassana, or observing fabrications as they arise and pass. For example, if a fabrication (sound) leads to a series of fabrications (thought, feeling; thoughts about the though-feeling process); this may literally take more than one breathe's time, yeah? In my experience, short-circuiting that processs by hastily returning to the breathe can impede the cultivation of some insight. Where am I in my practice, please?

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Re: Struggling to understand the distinction between Samatha and Vipassana, in practice.

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Re: Struggling to understand the distinction between Samatha and Vipassana, in practice.

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Re: Struggling to understand the distinction between Samatha and Vipassana, in practice.

Postby paul » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:17 pm

Samatha is a synonym of samadhi (concentration) and is one-pointedness developed through repeatedly bringing the mind back to the subject of meditation (and there are 40 subjects- the subject should be interesting to the meditator), and it is a skill separate from vipassana. Concentration can also be developed through other methods, such as reading and study. The practice of vipassana requires some modicum of concentration for insight to occur, so samadhi is a tool used in vipassana. Insight occurs when mundane daily events are seen in the light of impermanence, suffering or non-self through the application of concentration, because they are ultimate reality. But there is an essential foundation to this process and that is sila- morality.
Samatha meditation is where you sit for a matter of hours concentrating on the subject whereas vipassana is something you do throughout the day.

Suffering in and of itself is a very good thing to focus the vipassana attention on without worrying about the three other Truths, which will take care of themselves. All of life is suffering "except craving and states free from cankers"...(Vism. XVI:86)
"Although the texts list four separate duties appropriate to each of the truths, in actual practice these duties are four aspects of a single process. When stress is comprehended, the second noble truth — craving — has no object to latch onto and so can be abandoned. The full realization of what is happening in the process of that abandoning constitutes the realization of the third noble truth, the cessation of stress. Both the abandoning and the realization are accomplished by developing the path, which destroys any trace of ignorance concerning the four noble truths at the same time that it abandons craving. This is how the practice cuts the chain of dependent co-arising simultaneously at its two most crucial factors [§§210-211], thus unraveling the causal chain and opening the way for an experience of the Unfabricated."--"Discernment- The Four Noble Truths", Thanissaro Bikkhu.
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Re: Struggling to understand the distinction between Samatha and Vipassana, in practice.

Postby Mkoll » Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:31 am

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

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Re: Struggling to understand the distinction between Samatha and Vipassana, in practice.

Postby SarathW » Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:36 am

:goodpost: Mkoll
I can relate to this.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Struggling to understand the distinction between Samatha and Vipassana, in practice.

Postby pegembara » Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:07 pm

Samatha meditation can have different outcomes -

"Monks, these are the four developments of concentration. Which four? There is the development of concentration that, when developed & pursued, leads to a pleasant abiding in the here & now. There is the development of concentration that, when developed & pursued, leads to the attainment of knowledge & vision. There is the development of concentration that, when developed & pursued, leads to mindfulness & alertness. There is the development of concentration that, when developed & pursued, leads to the ending of the effluents."
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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Re: Struggling to understand the distinction between Samatha and Vipassana, in practice.

Postby indianromeo » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:25 pm

Thank you.


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