Koan Meditation

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Koan Meditation

Postby clw_uk » Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:43 pm

Greetings



I have been thinking about incorporating Koans into my practice. Was wondering if anyone has any experience with using them, if so did you find it helpful (or not)?



Also, from the Theravada POV, are Koans useful for "reaching" nibbana or not? I realize they arent in the suttas and developed later but they seem very helpful from what i have read


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Re: Koan Meditation

Postby Individual » Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:34 pm

The title of this sub-forum is Theravadin meditation. Not sure why you'd ask this here.
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Re: Koan Meditation

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:37 pm

Koan meditation is not something can meaningfully do by yourself. It is very much a teacher - student practice, and it is grounded in Mahayana Madhyamaka and Yogachara systems of thought.

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Re: Koan Meditation

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Re: Koan Meditation

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Re: Koan Meditation

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Re: Koan Meditation

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Re: Koan Meditation

Postby jcsuperstar » Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:18 am

the rinzai way of doing a koan is i guess what youre after, i have no experience with this. in soto we would talk about koans, they werent these secret things one had to figure out. they were more of a way to reach understanding logically.
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Re: Koan Meditation

Postby Cittasanto » Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:52 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.


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